Sovereign Class - Durability Issues

posted on March 31st, 2009, 2:27 am

as far as playing, i will somtime but honestly i dont have time now

as far as refitting, feds deserve it the most, and they should have gotten it from the start, it has the feds name written all over it, feds were still using excelsiors and mirandas in the dominion war and after, and they always refit, i dont want a rip of of the roms, and my ideas arnt, miranda and nebula customizable pods art, and general ship upgrades with chassis reaserch after all other reserch is complete isnt a rip off, it refits to reflect the age of the ships,

now i canot see how you argue that a defining charateristic of the fed is not refit and upgrade IT IS, the feds beat each ship into the ground with refits until the ship they had before, is most definently not the ship they started with, the replace weapons, uprgrade sheilds, then come new nacels, then a new bridge, and your left with almost nothing of the old ship, the very nature of feds shuip is designed to serve for many many years, of course with upgrades, feds are refit

posted on March 31st, 2009, 2:31 am

Here explain why this is incorrect:

The same logic that you use to propose that you rip the refit system from the Romulans and give it to the Federation can be used to propse that the Borg or the Klingons are more deserving of the refit system than are the Federation. The Federation just BUILDS a new ship for crying out loud (they have the most different ships afterall): the Klingons however have been using the same ships for hundreds of years, but the only way they have been kept up is by REFITTING. I won't even bother explaining why the Borg should have a refit system 

Each race already has its defining characteristic, and for the Federation, it isn't and should not be the refit system. So why does the Federation "deserve it the most"?

[ray320]

posted on March 31st, 2009, 3:45 am

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wow you want to get mad at me, for almosst everything i post, yet you can post the EXACT SAME THING TO EFFING TIMES? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU, all you do is bash down my ideas

now idk if your blind that you cant read what im saying, so ill type bigger to help you.......

YOU KNOW WHY FEDS NEED REFIT, CUS THEY ARE REFIT, AS IVE SAID THE PAST TWO TIMES WE HAVE SEEN FED REFIT MORE THEN ANY OTHER RACE, WE NEVER SAW THE ROMS REFIT, YET THEY GOT REFITING? FEDS CONSTANTLY GOT REFITIED, AND THERE IS THE EVIDENCE THERE TO SUPPORT THAT THEY UPGRADE AND REFIT THERE SHIPS MORE THEN ANY ELSE, THE EXCELSIOR CLASS WAS IN USE MORE THEN A HUNDRED YEARS LATER, WITH REFITS, THE NEBULA AND MIRANDA HAVE DIFFERENT POD VARIENTS, THE GALAXY CLASS, HAS DIFFERENT VARIENTS, THE SOVY SHIP WE SAW IN NEMESIS LOOKED DIFFERENT THEN IN FIRST CONTACT BECAUSE IT WAS REFIT


the kligons dont refit, they send there old ships into battle until there finally all destroyed, thats why kligpns have large shipyards in fleet ops, THE KLIGONS ARE THE ONES WHO BUILD NEW SHIPS, seriously when have you ever seen a kligon ship refitted, or a kligon go, were going in for a refit next week, CUS THEY DONT, they repair enough systems so that they can fight best, and then move on, they dont put resources toward upgrade and refit


and why the hell would borg need refit, they constantly repair

SO UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMTHING ELSE TO SAY, STOP POSTING THE SAME THING 5 TIMES IN A ROW, JUST DISSING WHATEVER I SAY, AND LET SOMONE ELSE SPEAK, i am honeslty sick of all you peopl who dont listen to me, and anything that has my name on it, just seems to get negativity, you guys drive me to the point where im thinkg that im just gonna leave fleet ops for good, i cant put up with you guys

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:01 am

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Dude Ray (dude-Ray? anyways...), I'm not mad at you, but I find it frankly ridiculous when you state something and then don't bother to clarify. That is exactly why I posted almost the same thing twice: because you didn't read it the first time and yet have posted the same thing in four different threads multiple times. Anywho, what is this nonsense about "the kligons dont refit, they send there old ships into battle until there finally all destroyed, thats why kligpns have large shipyards in fleet ops, and why the hell would borg need refit, they constantly repair"

So you are saying that the B'rel has not been refitted in any way, yet it is still able to destroy a Saber, even despite having been used for 200 years? Likewise with the K'tinga (which is what, 300 years old?). The Borg use "refits" in the sense of adaptation: they take the new technology and incorporate it into their existing ship designs without fail. They never have new ship designs apparently, as they always use the same 6 ship classes, while all the other races will build completely new ships. So again, why does this entitle only the Federation to use refits? Visible differences aside (from First Contact to Nemesis etc), I think you misunderstand how refits work in Fleet Ops. For the Romulans, a refit is so that the ship will have multi-functionality (it can be this OR this). The refit system you are describing for the Federation is "the old ship was crap, so we rebuilt it. Now we have ONLY the new ship" (that is the type of enhancement that was present in the aforementioned movies which must incidentally be how the Klingons work too). Hence this fits perfectly well with how the Federation plays right now: we have the Miranda II, the Excelsior II etc as rebuilt refitted ships… but we do not get access to the old un-refitted ship types because they have already been refitted or scrapped. Keep in mind when this game occurs: after the Dominion War all the old ships have no doubt already been refitted.

As for the rest of your post, don't exaggerate, and lay off the caps lock and the anger. Even if you say I am consistently ignoring your posts, it is you who is refusing to budge. I think you just can't stand hearing ideas that don't follow your line of reasoning: you have to learn to move on when both the Team and the forum population in general disagree.

The pods idea could work... though I am not sure what ship really needs more stuff: the Federation is extremely well rounded at the moment, with very few redundant ship roles (The Intrepid and Monsoon may have some slight issues... I'll have to test that strategy more).

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:02 am

the only one mad in this forum is you. . . gosh we are all adults here quit acting like a child. ive had lots of ideas that have been shot down. and as i believe i said somewhere else when you build a new ship the engineers would use the most up to date designs so there is really no reason for the feds to have a refit system.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:23 am

If it makes any difference, the most Starfleet-style refit is the level-up system rather than the Click-to-pick version. Since Starfleet already has access to that, the Starfleet refit is already settled.

Off-topic: Why does everyone usually identify them as Federation? Wouldn't Starfleet be more accurate since Starfleet is the military while the Federation is the organization in general?

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:28 am

I think it is because the name that is given for choosing is "The United Federation of Planets" ... and if you choose the race in SP or MP, the scroll bar lists "Romulan, Dominion, Federation, Klingon, Borg".

It's similar to saying "China (or PRC) invaded Mongolia" rather than "The People's Liberation Army invaded Mongolia" 

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:35 am

If it makes any difference, the most Starfleet-style refit is the level-up system rather than the Click-to-pick version. Since Starfleet already has access to that, the Starfleet refit is already settled.

I guess thats what i was trying to say while the fed refits are just a more advanced version of the same ship. while the roms are completely different ships with different options on how to refit them.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:38 am

exactly, fed ships are more advance ship, new technology, new hull design( a little bit at least) some fed ships are specialized, tho we can say the bulk arnt, however, we can say, definelty miranda and nebula with tere pods, and definelty refits and upgrades

posted on March 31st, 2009, 4:49 am

ray i think you misunderstood me because i agree with tyler. when you build a new ship you are building the newest "refit" of it. and since you cant build the miranda or nebula there is really no reason to have a refit for them. also it would seem logical if they would be the newest refit upon warpin as well. (I think that optec mentioned that there would be different models for the nebula, and it would be random which one you got upon warpin) hopefully the miranda will be making an appearance as a regular warpin.

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:03 am

i meand miranda mk2 as well when i say miranda, as for nebula, hmm, i would say nebula mk2 however, it seems new enough, as for the whole newest ship you  build is most refited, dosent work that way, theres not increase in anyway or change, it has to be done on a ship to ship basis, for a certain amount of money, so like 200 di to upgrade/ reift a akira

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:19 am

um its not the nebula mk2 its just the nebula. and it would cost way more to do what you are sugesting and we would still end up with the same ship

posted on March 31st, 2009, 5:29 am

i know its the nebula, im saying, they could have a nebula mk2, but im not sure if the nebula is old enough, y would it cost more? akira cost about  500di?, 450di? a 200 di refit/ upgrade, sounds about right to me, however thats for dev team to deciced, but akira could get lets say, the new quantum torpedos, some stat increase, and a slightly different hull, plus increased sensors, maybye even have a offensive/ defensive varient and normal refit also, but that might be better options as far as what type of refit for a podded vessal

posted on March 31st, 2009, 8:19 am

in the Federation Redo we plan to push the Akira a little deeper in the tech tree and make it a bit more powerful, a battlecruiser perhaps. we will also try to find something that matches at least slightly the famouse "99 torpedo launcher" rumors about that ship  The Federaiton will probably get a new ship in the Antares Yard

posted on March 31st, 2009, 12:03 pm

In a way, the best forms of "refit" (which does include the fact that all ships get upgraded, and all new ships are the newest refit) is already ingame, and was in Stock A2. The Upgrade facility... that upgrades your ships' systems...