Breen Cruiser may be underpowered.

posted on August 23rd, 2010, 5:55 pm

No. According to the shipyards, both avatars use the same Destroyer.

[Anonymous]

posted on August 23rd, 2010, 6:00 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on August 23rd, 2010, 6:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

No. According to the shipyards, both avatars use the same Destroyer.

what about officer rank bugs? are officer bugs both the same? or are there breen officer bugs for the +2 offence?

edit: i just got off my arse and had a look, it turns out breen doesnt have its own bug. maybe it should. as officer bugs get torps.

posted on August 23rd, 2010, 6:05 pm

Well, make that thing short range with a nice dogfight-special and give it a speed bonus, then this vessel might be more useful.

Or: Combine the breen cruiser and the bomber with a special that is like "There is the target, you wont miss it now"-ability. THEN this vessel might also be good against destroyers. I think about the scout/breen cruiser that it could mark a target, the bomber will fire and wont miss. This could be good against rommies and klings. All other destroyers might just retreat because of the better speed.

posted on August 25th, 2010, 12:28 am

Risner has some defense bonuses on a few early game ships as well.

She has offense bonuses (tho she does get +3 defense as well as her +1 offense to the Saber, which is a rather nice bonus that was not intentional IIRC.), not defense.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 10:55 am

Ok. After having a look around this topic, my opinion is this.

Breen = Very very useful vs Battleships. It is nice how they don't do reduced damage to cruisers, and do more to Med range. The only thing I don't like is, in a game, by the time the enemy has Battleships, I can get Breen Battleships. Yes you may argue that the Breen Cruiser will be cheaper, but it has very small values compared to the other Battleships, so therefore die much quicker. Yes it is nice they have uber hull, and cloak to help retreat, but I have used them vs Battleships. They die quite quickly, and lose subsystems when cloaking. Now they are very much faster than Breen Battleships, but I feel the Breen are being nerfed to near complete uselessness, because of 3.0.7. So I feel in games, the Breen Battleship is more useful when it comes to fighting Battleships. I'm trying to think how to explain this better...

Breen Cruiser is in the small yard. Most of the time small yard vessels fight with other small yard vessels 
Now I do know the Dev's idea of FO is that everything is not the same, so each race is very different to the other, and a small yard vessel that killes Battleshisp is an excellent example of this.
But when I get to mid-late game, I can get the Breen Battleship, since I will have the mining to do so. And the Breen Battleship has far superior values the Breen Cruiser, and it has a beam weapon that can deal with smaller ships.
But now I think of it, maybe the Breen Cruiser is not all useless because of base damage to cruisers plus its passive. I think I'll just have to try it and find out. But I hope you all get what I am trying to say.
But IMO the real problem is speed...

The Breen Cruiser has a speed of 90, which people say is too slow, but the Breen Battleship has a speed of 60. A Cube is faster than the Breen Battleship. 

YES you can upgrade speed, but it takes time to get to that etc...
So I propose that you increase the Breen's speed.
Maybe something like:

Breen Cruiser: Speed of either 100/105/110

Breen Battleship: Speed of either /80/85/90

(And maybe give the Breen Cruiser's cloak cost at 70 energy, instead of 100. Make it good for suprise attacks, and retreating?)

Thanks for reading.
Opinions?

posted on August 26th, 2010, 11:35 am

I think nothing wrong with the battleship, it's slow but it pwns most other battleships so badly, it's funny to watch. It's hard to get, but worth the time, if you can survive that long. (Yes it's hard especially in 1v1)

It's seems actually almost everybody agrees that the cruiser needs another rule like now, it is a topic about it, everybody's ideas are welcomed there! 

Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - Breen Cruiser ideas.

[Nuukov]

posted on August 26th, 2010, 11:43 am

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I think nothing wrong with the battleship, it's slow but it pwns most other battleships so badly, it's funny to watch. It's hard to get, but worth the time, if you can survive that long. (Yes it's hard especially in 1v1)

It's seems actually almost everybody agrees that the cruiser needs another rule like now, it is a topic about it, everybody's ideas are welcomed there! 

Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - Breen Cruiser ideas.

Hehe, I know there is nothing wrong with the battleship (well, maybe its speed), but otherwise I <3 it.
So many perrrrty colours 

But if they bump up the speed, I think that would be good. But supporting my own other argument... It is best to get Breen Battleships, when the enemy has Battleships, because of the Breen Cruisers values. Yes it can still be very usefull becasue it is a very cost effective batte killer ( 4 Cruisers killed a Eresis in 8 seconds )

But maybe it needs a new role (as you say Elim - But I would like it to keep atleast SOME of its awesome battle-owning power). I dunno. Lets see what people come up with 

posted on August 26th, 2010, 5:16 pm

well if the enemy makes only medium range battleships then breen cruisers should be mixed in with breen battleships for the SSEC

and just hope they dont switch down and spam destroyers lol.

posted on August 28th, 2010, 3:56 am

Breen Cruiser are still a great thing to have around even if you're already fielding Breen Batts.  Breen Battleships are SO slow that they cannot keep up with the things they are intended to face (other battleships), so the Cruisers pick up the slack nicely .

  Breen batts, however, are monsters in their own right and are slower to prevent them from rendering the Cruisers obsolete.  I think they both compliment each other nicely and will SLAUGHTER Borg.  I highly recommend it .

posted on August 28th, 2010, 6:01 pm

just for ones interest...the Breen Cruiser proofed viable for dealing with Fed warpins...especially an early warpin can be fought back with even 2 or 3 and a yard nearby.

posted on August 31st, 2010, 7:09 pm

I only build pair of these things once and probably last time.Breen Battleship is much better for the price,cloak is good for strong ships,this die to easily and even with damage bonus vs. medium/large its not big danger to these big and medium ships.

posted on August 31st, 2010, 10:14 pm

breen cruisers are a big danger for medium battleships. they are a massive threat.

posted on August 31st, 2010, 10:27 pm

If they can't handle every ship and every situation, then clearly they're overpowered.

posted on September 1st, 2010, 4:56 pm

If they can't handle every ship and every situation, then clearly they're overpowered.

Aye.    I think that the Breen should go back to 3.0.7 stats where they slaughter everything without fail.

 

posted on September 1st, 2010, 8:04 pm

Aye.    I think that the Breen should go back to 3.0.7 stats where they slaughter everything without fail.

  

Nah nah, you aren't thinking big enough man! 3.0.2 stats! A single Breen Battleship could spew out enough disablers to crippled an entire fleet if you just kept switching targets (disabling missile was on by default, no energy cost).