Ship discussion

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 12:56 pm

What I want to know is what 'it doesn't feel Trek' is supposed to mean?

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 12:59 pm

It means he doesn't like it, therefore everybody should drop what they are doing and change it . The Defiant didn't "feel" Federation by that same logic I guess though.... sooooo, let's create a new bunny-class! Fires carrots and fuzz at nearby starships. The ultimate in diplomacy!

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 1:49 pm

hm. put that on todo

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 2:29 pm

nah it should fire dilithium which enemy miners could collect ... 

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 3:15 pm

It should fire Omega particles and blow up everything in the game universe.

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 3:17 pm

I want a Tribble cannon, see what those Duras-wannabes think of that!

[Andre27]

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 4:12 pm

Last edited by Andre27 on December 3rd, 2010, 4:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It's actually a Battleship, both in game and in canon.

Escort vessel, war ship take your pick but it is never referred to as a battleship in the DS9 series.
   YouTube
       - DS9 3x1 the search 1/10
  about 4 minutes.

Anyway, the federation and star fleet tend to avoid area of effect weapons to avoid collateral damage.
A good example of this is the ban on usage of subspace weapons and biogenic weapons.

By mentioning that the Phalanx doesn't feel "Trek" i mean that it moves away from federation principles.
One might say that the Defiant is not "Trek" or "Federation" but that vessel has been at the center of an entire series so that's really a fools argument.

Change the Phalanx weapons to a more directed weapon. Multiple microphoton torpedo launchers -> weapons mostly directed at small vessels, but usable against buildings + strong shields would make the Phalanx more "Trek" and viable as a high end vessel.

[Tyler]

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 4:16 pm

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Whether you accept it or not, it's a Battleship in canon:

[Andre27]

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 4:32 pm

Last edited by Andre27 on December 3rd, 2010, 4:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Then we have contradictory statements in Star Trek  What's new.

Memory Alpha states its an escort vessel Escort vessel - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

[Tyler]

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 4:37 pm

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Escort is what it is officially registered as, not what it actually is. Sisko said Escort is just what they tell people it is.

It isn't contradiction, it's 'politically correct'. Can't have Starfleet ships listed in the database as 'flying death bringer'.

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 5:09 pm

"Flying Death bringer" for the defiant.

If Star Fleet would ever manage to capture a borg Cube or Sphere, how would they classify it: Flying ball of mega Death?

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 5:18 pm

Now, the promethius (lets ignore the silly MVAM) is a battleship, or something close to it.

The Prometheus is an experimental deep-space-cruiser. Tactical purpose yes, battleship no.

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 5:53 pm

Escort is what it is officially registered as, not what it actually is. Sisko said Escort is just what they tell people it is.

It isn't contradiction, it's 'politically correct'. Can't have Starfleet ships listed in the database as 'flying death bringer'.

dont think that the defiant is the mega ubah death bringer, its a combat, ship, not more not less. The show just had a bit horrible scripting at some points. Might be more realistic to compare that ship class to the 2 that attacked the prometheus. So i gues it would be some kind of attack cruiser.

another good example of federation classification ... the nebula class is a light cruiser 
gues that says all

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 6:00 pm

I never said 'mega ubah'. It flies, it brings death and it brings it to the enemy instead of waiting. It's technically correct.

[Brother Gabriel]

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 6:03 pm

Last edited by Brother Gabriel on December 3rd, 2010, 6:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.

so sttack ship or attack cruiser would fit, right?