Ship discussion

[Tok`ra]

posted on December 1st, 2010, 3:53 am

Last edited by Tok`ra on December 4th, 2010, 12:18 am, edited 1 time in total.

If Risner didn't have that dreadful carrier thingy and phalanx i might use that avatar more often. Those things are eyesores.

They also suck. The Phalanx cant even, at vet rank, lower a starbases shields on its own (not quickly anyway), something smaller ships ARE capable of doing.

Dom EDIT: Split from Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - nerf Mayson?
Please do not remodify the name of a thread to a thoroughly useless naming scheme
NO U
srsly, at least get the topic to be something accurate. :p

posted on December 1st, 2010, 3:58 am

There is a reason that its called FLEET operations.

[Tok`ra]

posted on December 1st, 2010, 4:01 am

Last edited by Tok`ra on December 1st, 2010, 4:09 am, edited 1 time in total.

When much cheaper ships can do much more damage than an avatar specefic battleship thats also limited in how many you can build, that tells you soemthing.

Unleveld Phalanx
Unleveld Excelcior
Fed starbase w/o upgrades

Excelcior causes the bases shields to flicker down to 99% on the first volley.
Phalanx takes several volleys to achieve the same, until just before it's second shot with it's main gun.

Now unless the Phalanx does quadrupled damage against the Tavara and Cube or something, it's rather........ pointless, and for the same price you could build multiple smaller ships and do more damage.

posted on December 1st, 2010, 9:13 am

tokra u misunderstand the phalanx, its pulses do 40pc less damage to stations, but murder small ships.

the phalanx is not designed for attacking stations, and if u are using it wrong, dont complain about it.

its like calling a steamy crap cos it doesnt work against sabres. Use ships for what they are good at. Point your e2/sovvie at the starbase, and the phalanx/defiant at the sabres.

posted on December 1st, 2010, 8:37 pm

Actualy the steamrunner IS crap, it's only good against big borg ships and starbases, I wouldnt complain so much if it could switch to cruiser mode or smething but it cant.

And Myles, I tested on more than just a starbase. The Phalanx quite simply put does very low damage for a battleship, even when ranked up.

And whats even the point of having a battleship if it's not able to shoot a starbase ?

Oh, wait, it's a rock paper scissors balance mobile.

[Quatre]

posted on December 1st, 2010, 9:17 pm

Last edited by Quatre on December 1st, 2010, 9:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The Steamy is the defencekiller in person. If you get one and your enemy ist trying to turlte have fun.
If the Steamy reaches vet it is the best stationkiller of all ships.
Thats her part in the game an she is damn good in doing that.

Maybe you should read what the others write more carfully too .


The Phalanx is not! an anti base ship. It is not! an anti battleship ship.
It is there for killing a hole fleet of small and medium targets.
If you play against a klingon his kvorts or thes long range torp bastards will eat your long range battleships allive. And your other battleships too.
If your Phalanx shows up they will run.

The Exel 2 is the ship against the big ones of your enemy and against his starbase. But even as Mayson you have to protect them carefully.

Against starbases, use steamis or the exel 2. Even the Akira will do good in this job. Or the sovy. Or even a ranked up defaint.
Why all avatars have to get an starbasekilling capitalship.
Why not an avatar that gets an smallshipkilling capitalship and starbasekilling medium or light ships


And as a special gift to people like you it will look like small ships are more costeffective as the big ones.

posted on December 1st, 2010, 11:17 pm

Actualy the steamrunner IS crap, it's only good against big borg ships and starbases, I wouldnt complain so much if it could switch to cruiser mode or smething but it cant.

are you joking? are you trolling? or are you just mistaken?

the steamy is a very useful ship, you wont find any online player here who disagrees.

And Myles, I tested on more than just a starbase. The Phalanx quite simply put does very low damage for a battleship, even when ranked up.

your tests dont seem very rigorous, i find the phalanx does impressive damage.

And whats even the point of having a battleship if it's not able to shoot a starbase ?

ahem, thats actually so ridiculous it's humorous. battleships dont have to be able to shoot a starbase. norexans are similar in that they are pulse armed.

ships have purposes, things they are good at, and things they are bad at. in general higher tech is better, but even then there are ships that have purposes. phalanges work against small ships as they have pulses. breen battleship works good against battleships, etc

if every battleship could do the same things the game would be so boring, ships would be photocopies of other races's ships. it would be vanilla a2 again, always build the biggest ship.

you could then break strategy down into a simple algorithm:

step 1) spam highest tech ship asap
step 2) rinse and repeat until victory

which is boring thats why we play fleetops and not vanilla.

Oh, wait, it's a rock paper scissors balance mobile.

if u dont like fleetops nobody is forcing you to stay and play. you are perfectly welcome to play a game you do like. i suggest vanilla a2, it seems to be more to your liking. every race the same, every ship totally equivalent to its opposite number, with a model change.

posted on December 2nd, 2010, 12:11 am

Does tokra play a different release than the rest of us because every ship he dis's on i love.

posted on December 2nd, 2010, 12:12 am

I'm not sure the version's different, just the driver.

posted on December 2nd, 2010, 12:18 am

I don't really like the Phalanx (I think that any gun with the graphic of the Magnan Array should be a monstrosity like the 'all warp core power through the main deflector array' in Best of Both Worlds, and prefer to use other ships to kill dessies) but I'd never call it worthless.  I just don't like it.

And the Steamrunner?  Sure, I've complained about it in the past.  I've complained that it's crewed by idiots who think it's got dogfight range instead of artillery, and apparantly believe it's shielded like a Sovvie or Descent, instead of like a mining barge.  Other than that?  No complaints.  Fast enough for it's job, and more than deadly enough when aimed at a station.

You want to kill starbases, Tok'ra?  3 Excelsior II, 2 Sovereign, 1 Canaveral, 1 Remore, 3 Akira.  Unless your enemy has a damned nasty fleet on hand, or the stupidest amount of torp turrets you're gonna see, you'll wreak havoc.  Toss in one or two defiant if you have the spare money just to make it worse.  Try to make the Akira veterans.

[Boggz]

posted on December 2nd, 2010, 1:05 am

Last edited by Boggz on December 2nd, 2010, 1:08 am, edited 1 time in total.

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    And it's also why you shouldn't be using the Phalanx against Stations or battleships  . 




Also:  Here is Tokra wondering why his Phalanx don't perform well against Stations:

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  Because he forgot he has wings, not arms!    Fly Tokra!  FLY FLY! 

posted on December 2nd, 2010, 1:28 am

I don't really like the Phalanx (I think that any gun with the graphic of the Magnan Array should be a monstrosity like the 'all warp core power through the main deflector array' in Best of Both Worlds, and prefer to use other ships to kill dessies) but I'd never call it worthless.  I just don't like it.

And the Steamrunner?  Sure, I've complained about it in the past.  I've complained that it's crewed by idiots who think it's got dogfight range instead of artillery, and apparantly believe it's shielded like a Sovvie or Descent, instead of like a mining barge.  Other than that?  No complaints.  Fast enough for it's job, and more than deadly enough when aimed at a station.

You want to kill starbases, Tok'ra?  3 Excelsior II, 2 Sovereign, 1 Canaveral, 1 Remore, 3 Akira.  Unless your enemy has a damned nasty fleet on hand, or the stupidest amount of torp turrets you're gonna see, you'll wreak havoc.  Toss in one or two defiant if you have the spare money just to make it worse.  Try to make the Akira veterans.

Oh yeah I kill starbases with no problem, with tactics similar to yours infac., just that the federation 'battleship' is far from worthy of the name.

Does tokra play a different release than the rest of us because every ship he dis's on i love.

Modded a  tad to make McKinley buildable, all veterans only take 1 slot, stuff like that, but I almost never play MP, and once that RPG type map megadroids talked about making comes out, I'll prolly stop even doing instant action.

posted on December 2nd, 2010, 1:30 am

I don't really like the Phalanx (I think that any gun with the graphic of the Magnan Array should be a monstrosity like the 'all warp core power through the main deflector array' in Best of Both Worlds, and prefer to use other ships to kill dessies) but I'd never call it worthless.  I just don't like it.

For me its that i don't like the weapon. Some random beam cannon which does area damage against small targets.
The vessel is listed as a battleship and when used in the intended role i'm sure it is efficient, but it simply does not feel like a battleship.

The phalanx doesn't feel star fleet or federation to me and that's also why i proposed to replace it with the Archilles Class Achilles - DS9: Dominion Wars but that's another discussion.

As for the carrier, i dislike the fact that it launches fighters which further cannot be controlled. From the DS9 episodes we know about the use of fighters, but they're not my favorite. Things have improved in the new version, but still not my favorite vessel.

Both the Phalanx and carrier have their uses though and i wouldn't call them worthless (and neither the steamrunner, it's a beast if used correct) but i simply do not like them and rarely use them after the first few practice games.

posted on December 2nd, 2010, 1:32 am

just that the federation 'battleship' is far from worthy of the name.

Interesting line, considering the Federations 'battleship' listing happens to include Sovereign and Defiant Class ships. Battleship means heavily armed, not super powerful station-killer.

The Phalanx fits the bill.

posted on December 2nd, 2010, 1:34 am

As for the carrier, i dislike the fact that it launches fighters which further cannot be controlled. From the DS9 episodes we know about the use of fighters, but they're not my favorite. Things have improved in the new version, but still not my favorite vessel.

Both the Phalanx and carrier have their uses though and i wouldn't call them worthless (and neither the steamrunner, it's a beast if used correct) but i simply do not like them and rarely use them after the first few practice games.

Uff ... you guys HAVE to get online and play with real people .  You'll LOVE the Phalanx, you'll LOVE the Avalon, and you'll LOVE the steamrunner.  Things are much different when obliterating something your ship is intended to destroy makes your opponent squeal in fright