Battle of Veridian III (split off topic discussion)

[Tyler]

posted on July 17th, 2010, 11:18 am

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a design flaw near the deflector dish meant the galaxy class ships were no longer built when the dominion exposed it.

The Galaxy was eventually stopped because it's expensive and getting old, nothing's wrong with the Galaxy design or it wouldn't have been built in the first place. It has no inherrent bugs and its weaknesses are no different to any other Starfleet ship.

posted on July 17th, 2010, 12:31 pm

so with other words:
you are back!

i actually wanted to join the summer tournament but i am reluctant to install 3.13 without that romulan serkas special ability doing no damage until am certain i am in the tournament.

The Galaxy was eventually stopped because it's expensive and getting old, nothing's wrong with the Galaxy design or it wouldn't have been built in the first place. It has no inherrent bugs and its weaknesses are no different to any other Starfleet ship.

from what i know, the galaxy class had a design flaw in the deflector dish section, but even so, the sovereign was out of design and there to replace the galaxy class anyhow, the sovvie lasted to the 26th century when the klingons were absorbed into the UFP.

[Tyler]

posted on July 17th, 2010, 12:49 pm

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The only 'flaw' in the deflector is that it's a literal bullseye. It draws your attention and is kinda close to the Warp Core.

We don't actually know what the Sovereign replaced (or if it replaced anything, since that's not a design requirement) and we don't know how long it was in service because it was never seen in canon outside the movies. It wasn't seen in the battle the the 26th century, assuming that battle happens in this timeline.

posted on July 20th, 2010, 3:43 am

My thoughts on the Star Trek movies have been summed up quite well already.

http://www.redlettermedia.com/generations.html

posted on July 20th, 2010, 3:58 am

OMFG that was awesome...omg so many of my thoughts shared by others!

posted on July 20th, 2010, 3:59 am

Indeed, I love all those reviews.

[Tyler]

posted on July 20th, 2010, 4:42 am

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I like the review, except he keeps getting the El-Aurian villain's name mixed up with the villain from Lord of the Rings.

The only thing in it I seem to disagree with is the uniforms.

The reviewer seems to mention his wife often.

posted on July 20th, 2010, 6:27 am

I like the review, except he keeps getting the El-Aurian villain's name mixed up with the villain from Lord of the Rings.

The only thing in it I seem to disagree with is the uniforms.

The reviewer seems to mention his wife often.

That's part of his character of Mr. Plinket. Mr. Plinket has trouble pronouncing names and long words. He mentions his wife because he's a serial killer and somewhat insane.

posted on July 20th, 2010, 6:46 am

You mean like Linkara, from Atop the Fourth Wall? The name mistake makes more sense now.

posted on July 20th, 2010, 8:36 am

oh those....yeah part of the "funny" comes from him being overly obsessive and creepy. You should see his reviews of the Star Wars Episode 1 and Episode 2. It makes a lot of things clearer.

posted on July 20th, 2010, 9:28 am

i think he was making the name mistake on purpose. remarking how soren sounds similar to sauron, i think he is doing it on purpose to degrade soren as a villain by deliberately robbing him of his name.

he did the same to ruafo in insurrection by calling him rofl, which is more sensible as raufo was laughable at best.

[Equinox1701e]

posted on July 24th, 2010, 4:59 am

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If you had a power source that could explode and kill you, wouldn't you design the system that prevents it from killing you to be reliable?

The episode where the Yamato exploded said the warp core breach to be rare (and the failure of the ejection system was called a design flaw, apparently one they hadn't known about before), but in later episodes the writers thought of it as an easy way to put the ship in danger. One of the things I don't like about TNG was the tendency for the writers to make the ship almost explode seemingly every other episode. I recently laughed at one episode when the ship was about to be destroyed by a little girl's imaginary friend.
The hand grenade thing was in Star Trek Five (aka Shatner and his enormous ego make a crappy movie), but yes the 3 dimensional thinking was a bad excuse. I also am not fond of what First Contact did to the Borg. The targeting of the waste extraction system was the same brand of crap we got in Generations.
I can suspend disbelief for only a little bit, and only if the movie makes up for it a lot in other areas. Generations was way too much to suspend disbelief for.

Actually it wasnt found out to be a design flaw, the Iconian computer virus just f'ed up that ship.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 5:04 am

I think Picard going back to Veridian was a bit more believable (not the same thing as 'smart'), becuase he'd just trying to save that world and it would be fresh in his mind. He's more likely to think of that planet than the fact that he met Soren on the Enterprise.

If they went with that idea, Kirk couldn't have his brief cameo in the film. Not that that would be a bad thing, considering how that big part of the film was screwed up...

Yeah that isnt like Picard though, he just doesnt usually do shit on a whim. It was just a reason to bring the shatman in, aka bad writing.

[Equinox1701e]

posted on July 24th, 2010, 1:53 pm

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My example was that shield remodulation wouldn't always be effective at stopping weapons passing through. Starfleet shields can be modified to protect against Dominion weapons, so that part isn't important, but it can't be done in the field, just like an inside view (unless you have plot or good luck).

Both advantage have similar effects on a battle.

Maybe Voyager Vs Equinox might have been a slightly better comparison, but it was about remodulation not being infallible.

First my understanding is shield remodulation is not the same thing as rotating shield frequency. However due to the fact the Duras sisters were adjusting to match the Enterprise shield frequency, rotating frequency should have given them 100% shield integrity vs that bop. Second Dominion weapons are important to note, they had no counter to the Dominion anti-proton beam for quite some time after first encountering them, which implies there was alot more they had to do besides rotate the shiled frequency or modulate the shields to protect themselves.

posted on July 24th, 2010, 2:04 pm

Second Dominion weapons are important to note, they had no counter to the Dominion anti-proton beam for quite some time after first encountering them, which implies there was alot more they had to do besides rotate the shiled frequency or modulate the shields to protect themselves.

i think you will find that the jemhadar used phased polaron beams, not anti proton beams

i think occasionaly they were said to have disruptors, but that was probably a writing error.

and you are right that rotating frequencies failed, the odyssey tried all the frequencies, all failed

it wasnt until sisko stole a bug that starfleet figured out a way to protect against these weapons.