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posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:51 pm
troi repeatedly crashing the ship is probably why picard was so pleased to get seatbelts in the deleted scenes of nemesis. but he already figured out how to stop crashing enterprises. stop letting that fool drive.
posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:53 pm
Yup, just grant the first transfer request she hands in  :thumbsup:
posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:54 pm
Blazing Gig wrote:Yup, just grant the first transfer request she hands in  :thumbsup:


if i were picard i would have actively transfered her. out an airlock. if u were on the jury, would u really convict him? didn't think so, he was acting in self defence as she puts his life in danger every time she drives
posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:56 pm
And to think shes doesnt even have a cell phone to text on while shes driving.... Its a good thing that this is the future and they havent invented cell phones and texting yet
posted on September 13th, 2010, 1:06 am
Dircome wrote:And to think shes doesnt even have a cell phone to text on while shes driving.... Its a good thing that this is the future and they havent invented cell phones and texting yet


Its far worse than that, what about the ffact she can read minds since she's a Betazad?
posted on September 13th, 2010, 2:06 am
she cant read minds she can only sense strong emotion and tell if somebody is lying or not.  Shes not a true telepath, shes and Empath the only people she has any real mind connection with is Riker for some reason, and her mother whom she is able to telepathically talk to if she has line of site with her
posted on September 13th, 2010, 8:35 pm
Admiral T'Var D. Bassia wrote:she cant read minds she can only sense strong emotion and tell if somebody is lying or not.  Shes not a true telepath, shes and Empath the only people she has any real mind connection with is Riker for some reason, and her mother whom she is able to telepathically talk to if she has line of site with her



You might want to pay more attention all TNG episodes and to Star Trek Nemesis at the moment the Away Team meets Shinzon, he even says she has "empathic and impathic abilities" thus she can read minds, she's like a "living lie detector".
posted on September 13th, 2010, 8:40 pm
jetnova16 wrote:
You might want to pay more attention all TNG episodes and to Star Trek Nemesis at the moment the Away Team meets Shinzon, he even says she has "empathic and impathic abilities" thus she can read minds, she's like a "living lie detector".


you might want to read this:

As a half-Betazoid, Troi was capable of extra-sensory empathy, but was incapable of reading aliens with brain structures dissimilar to Humans and other Betazoids, like the Breen and the Ferengi. Like most Betazoids, Troi had telepathic  abilities; due to her half-Human heritage, however, the range of her telepathic abilities were limited compared to full-blooded Betazoids, and could usually only read the thoughts of other Betazoids, most notably her mother. Troi's empathic skills made her an important asset to the Enterprise and often came in handy when dealing with hostile races. Since she could usually tell if others were lying, she repeatedly proved herself invaluable in many suspenseful situations. (TNG: "Encounter at Farpoint", "Ménage à Troi", "The Loss"; VOY: "Inside Man")

from memory alpha. troi cant read thoughts of non betazoids.

only reads emotions.
posted on September 13th, 2010, 8:42 pm
TNG episodes clearly state multiple times she can only sense emotions or the presence of a telepath/empath (the last is sensing where the Viceroy was in Nemesis). She can only read the mind of someone she has a 'bond' with, and even that is likely to be limited to telepathic communication.
posted on September 13th, 2010, 8:52 pm
Tyler wrote:TNG episodes clearly state multiple times she can only sense emotions or the presence of a telepath/empath (the last is sensing where the Viceroy was in Nemesis). She can only read the mind of someone she has a 'bond' with, and even that is likely to be limited to telepathic communication.


Check her official Personel File from the Official Star Trek website, Star Trek Homepage
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Rank: Commander
Current assignment: U.S.S. Titan
Full Name: Deanna Troi
Date of birth: Terran equivalent: March 29, 2336
Place of birth: Near Lake El-Nar, Betazed
Parents: Betazoid Ambassador Lwaxana Troi and the late Starfleet Lt. Ian Andrew Troi
Education: Starfleet Academy, 2355-59; advanced study at University on Betazed
Marital status: Married to William Riker
Children: One, deceased, via alien conception taking human form: Ian Andrew Jr., b/d 2365
Quarters: Formerly, Enterprise Deck 9/Room 0910
Office: Formerly, Enterprise Deck 8.


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Starfleet Career Summary

2362 ? Educational leave for advanced career study, Betazed

2364 ? As lieutenant commander, assigned as ship's counselor, U.S.S. Enterprise under Capt. Jean-Luc Picard

2370 ? Promoted to commander; passed Bridge Officers' Exam

2372 ? Transferred with remainder of Picard's senior staff to Sovereign-class U.S.S. Enterprise



Psychological Profile: Report of Starfleet Medical, Counselor General With excerpts from Service File Entries, reflecting update of SD 50900

Although actually of mixed human and Betazoid heritage, Troi is one of many from her planet active in the Starfleet counselor corps and was ship's counselor for the U.S.S. Enterprise throughout its service life and now aboard its successor namesake. Troi's race is known for its inter-species telepathy and its emotional empathy with most other species whether on board the ship, in a ship at close proximity or on the planet below. While such a capacity has heightened her counseling skills, they have also aided her captain's command mission decisions on several occasions, including hostile encounters, negotiations, and first-contact missions. Most notably, she recently took part in the temporal restoration of Cochrane's Phoenix flight and human first contact.

A lifelong interest in Ancient Western stories arose in childhood when her human father would read them to her and sing at bedtime, including her favorite "Down in the Valley"; she also recalled later how she'd check under her bed for "monsters" and carry her over muddy patches. He died when she was 7, and the grieving she and Lwaxana shared is also a vivid memory.

Sometime prior to that she had been "genetically bonded" according to Betazoid custom to Dr. Wyatt Miller, the son of her late father's best friend. The Millers expected to carry out the arranged marriage in 2364, but Wyatt realized the woman he'd been imagining was a Tarellian plague victim and he left to help her people instead.

Unbeknownst to Troi until 2370, she had a sister Kestra six years her senior who drowned in the nearby lake during a picnic when Troi was but a newborn infant. In grief and guilt her parents moved away, and upon Ian's death Lwaxana deleted all mention of Kestra in personal logs. Though exasperated at times by the bawdy Lwaxana, she gained new insight with that revelation, which added new meaning to her mother's lifelong and oft-detested nickname "little one" and came while relieving Lwaxana's metaconscious trauma. Among her childhood keepsakes, not recovered from storage until 2368, are a doll, a small teddy bear, necklaces, and two books; she'd once had a Betazoid kitten as a pet, but it never got along with her mother.

Following Academy graduation she returned to her homeworld for advanced psychology studies at the University there, where she befriended the troubled Tam Elbrun during his treatments for stress.

It was also during this period when she met and enjoyed a deep romance with her "imzadi," Starfleet Lieutenant William Riker. Aside from her intended mate Wyatt Miller, Riker is the only other person she felt had the capacity to share full telepathic contact. They had planned to reunite six months after he left Betazed for the U.S.S. Potemkin in 2362, but his rapid career rise negated that and she eventually cooled to him. Despite latent feelings and her occasional use of the "imzadi" endearment, their professional life has remained largely platonic yet warm since their surprise reunion on the U.S.S. Enterprise two years later.

Troi has shown no signs of negative reaction to Riker's occasional attractions to other women, including both Ensign Ro and the J'naii renegade Soren, and is even touched that he still confides in her. Even so, the appearance of the "old" U.S.S. Potemkin-era Riker in the form of Thomas easily swept her off her feet.

Romantic attractions of her own have included genetically bred Genome Colony leader Aaron Conner, the deaf mediator Riva, a brief dating relationship with fellow officer Worf, and an intense fling with negotiator Devinoni Ral.

Owing to concern about her lack of command expertise during a crisis stint as senior bridge officer on the U.S.S. Enterprise, she successfully completed the Starfleet bridge command exam in 2370. It is this training which contributed to the successful restoration of Cochrane's pioneer flight, when she helped minimize 24th century involvement and thus potential timeline contamination by acting as ground flight controller when the original crew was killed by time-traveling Borg.

She is also trained in languages and linguistics, often making her a valued first contact team member. Again, it was her skills in interpersonal contact which helped Cochrane adjust to her comrades' true story when trying to restart the known timeline after Borg temporal sabotage in 2373. During her original Enterprise posting she had preferred wearing non-regulation clothing as a calming influence on those about her, but following temporary commander Jellico's order to don a uniform in 2369, she began to make it habit.

Troi has been pregnant once, though the 2365 incident involved a speeded-up cycle brought on by an alien wishing merely to live the experience. The boy, whom she named after her father, resumed its normal noncorporeal form when his presence proved harmful to unstable cargo aboard and Troi felt the loss deeply.

She ran the gamut of emotions from anger to fear to helplessness when deprived of her empathic ability by nonsentient two-dimensional lifeforms two years later, becoming the so-called "patient from hell."

Her career and Betazoid empathy have put Troi at risk during her career many times. She was abducted in a forced shuttlecraft crash in 2364 by the malevolent entity Armus on Vagra II, then barely survived abduction and surgical alternation in 2369 to pass as a Romulan Tal Shiar agent aboard a warship to help that Empire's underground smuggle out two high-ranking defectors. And a year later she nearly committed suicide in the nacelle plasma stream when reacting to an empathic echo left by a murderous original builder of the Enterprise. Troi has also been telepathically assaulted by a troubled Ullian archivist, Jev, and later nearly died from hyperaging as the emotional dumping ground of the Lumerian envoy Ves Alkar.

Dessert is her favorite part of a meal, and one of her greatest favorites and weaknesses is chocolate. Paraphrasing Terran philosopher-humorist Will Rogers, she says "she never met a chocolate she didn't like" — unless it might be the replicated variety; a Ktarian chocolate puff is her very favorite. She's also part of the officers' poker circle, and once beat Data at tri-dimensional chess.

PERSONAL ADDENDUM, Captain Jean-Luc Picard SD 50900 Update

For the record, I commend Counselor Troi for her efforts above and beyond the call of duty in a crisis in persuading 21st century warp pioneer Zefram Cochran to continue his historic flight despite Borg interference. As an ongoing advocate of historical education for all, I would suggest a little more research in the realm of pre-syntheholic beverages.
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posted on September 13th, 2010, 9:12 pm
ZOMFGROFLCOPTERSBBQ tl;dr

i'm assuming at some point this article says something that supports you.

problem is u are using a weak source, that article is pure grade A:
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the site has existed for far less time than memory alpha. i've seen other articles containing rubbish too.

i have actually watched every ep of TNG, and she cant read the thoughts of non betazeds. she can only sense emotions, like fear, hatred, joy etc. she can communicate with some telepaths using a "mind voice" thing.
posted on September 13th, 2010, 9:19 pm
Myles wrote:ZOMFGROFLCOPTERSBBQ tl;dr

i'm assuming at some point this article says something that supports you.

problem is u are using a weak source, that article is pure grade A:
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the site has existed for far less time than memory alpha. i've seen other articles containing rubbish too.

i have actually watched every ep of TNG, and she cant read the thoughts of non betazeds. she can only sense emotions, like fear, hatred, joy etc. she can communicate with some telepaths using a "mind voice" thing.


I have also watched all episodes of TNG, Voyager, and Enterprise, and when it comes to TNG, I can't find any proof to what you're saying. Captain Picard has relied on her Empathic and Impathic abilities alot.

That isn't a weak source, since its the Official Star Trek Website, they have only changed how the page is setup, but it is still the official site nad it has been out far longer than Memory Alpha and Memry Beta. The only difference is the site was redid and is a new Beta-Version, all the information is the same that was on the original Star Trek Official Website and that's because the information on other pages matches information that I saved back in 2007 well starting my Star Trek Novel.
posted on September 13th, 2010, 9:23 pm
jetnova16 wrote:I have also watched all episodes of TNG, Voyager, and Enterprise, and when it comes to TNG, I can't find any proof to what you're saying. Captain Picard has relied on her Empathic and Impathic abilities alot.


picard relied on her empathic abilities a lot, usually if someone is lying. or assessing their mood. never read their thoughts. imagine how op that would be. where troi could pick any person and scan their mind. she can only tell how they feel.

jetnova16 wrote:That isn't a weak source, since its the Official Star Trek Website, they have only changed how the page is setup, but it is still the official site nad it has been out far longer than Memory Alpha and Memry Beta. The only difference is the site was redid and is a new Beta-Version, all the information is the same that was on the original Star Trek Official Website and that's because the information on other pages matches information that I saved back in 2007 well starting my Star Trek Novel.


the site was closed ages ago. it was shut down, now its been started again only recently. and its not accurate at all, i've seen many pages that are incomplete or just factually inaccurate.
posted on September 13th, 2010, 9:34 pm
I would love to see a graphic of some kind showing in a cool way how this thread has changed topics.

About your argument Myles: If this guy has watched TNG and thinks what he thinks, nothing you say will change his mind. Since he has evidence, he will not listen to any of your evidence. At this point it's just best to ignore his posts about the matter and keep in mind he doesnt pay attention to TNG (so the next time he talks about something from TNG, you know not to listen.)
This is basically how I treat that one guy who's crazy about the Ambassador class (I see his name and I don't bother reading the post, tho I did enjoy reading posts where people on the forums futilely tried to explain that the Ambassador class does not need a buff.)
I'm not suggesting ignoring everything he says, I just do that with the Ambassador guy cause I've never seen a post of his that was rational and not about the Ambassador.
posted on September 13th, 2010, 9:43 pm
Nebula_Class_Ftw wrote:I would love to see a graphic of some kind showing in a cool way how this thread has changed topics.

About your argument Myles: If this guy has watched TNG and thinks what he thinks, nothing you say will change his mind. Since he has evidence, he will not listen to any of your evidence. At this point it's just best to ignore his posts about the matter and keep in mind he doesnt pay attention to TNG (so the next time he talks about something from TNG, you know not to listen.)
This is basically how I treat that one guy who's crazy about the Ambassador class (I see his name and I don't bother reading the post, tho I did enjoy reading posts where people on the forums futilely tried to explain that the Ambassador class does not need a buff.)
I'm not suggesting ignoring everything he says, I just do that with the Ambassador guy cause I've never seen a post of his that was rational and not about the Ambassador.



You are totally wrong, I do pay attention to everything Star Trek Actually. My favorite series are and in order are Enterprise, TNG, DS9, and Voyager. I pay attention to all of these series, especially since they make up the eras that I encorporate into my Star Trek novels. Thus I have done the research and even double checked all that I have found to make sure it is right and then I find an episode or movie to tie it to that confirms its correct.
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