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posted on September 10th, 2010, 9:43 pm

Actually, Paramount choses what is canon and they are the ones who have come out and said that the USS Titan is a Luna-class starship. Its official and somewhere's I had found designs that Paramount has for the ship.

thats not true, i dont know where u got this information from, but it's flawed. its factually incorrect.

the books were not by paramount. it was made by pocktet books/simon & schuster.

and the design of the titan in the books was chosen by a fan through entry into a competition run by simon & schuster.

paramount just allowed these people to sell the book, probably demanding royalties.

the makers of trek have never released a book, no book is canon.

[Tyler]

posted on September 10th, 2010, 10:12 pm

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Official and canon are two different things, and the Luna Class is the former if the novel it appeared in is an official one. An important note is that Memory Alpha includes the book and class in the 'Apocrypha' section.

Incase you don't know the word:

The term apocrypha is used with various meanings, including "hidden", "esoteric", "spurious", "of questionable authenticity", and "Christian texts that are not canonical".

[jetnova16]

posted on September 11th, 2010, 3:10 am

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thats not true, i dont know where u got this information from, but it's flawed. its factually incorrect.

the books were not by paramount. it was made by pocktet books/simon & schuster.

and the design of the titan in the books was chosen by a fan through entry into a competition run by simon & schuster.

paramount just allowed these people to sell the book, probably demanding royalties.

the makers of trek have never released a book, no book is canon.

The movie Star Trek Nemesis is where I'm getting this, there wasn't a scene but at Paramount, they had the USS Titan already designed and they did have someoen even design the ship for production but it was never used.

I know that I'm correct on this because unlike some people, I did research on things like this well writing my novel and I have gathered the correct information and even e-mailed Paramounts' Star Trek Department and also those at Pocket Books. I have the information from searching different sites that helped me confirm the designs and everything about the USS Titan and the USS Aventine.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I happen to know that I have the correct information. Maybe you can do the research to prove otherwise.

Google Images - The Titan is among the scematics.

Google Images - The Model

posted on September 11th, 2010, 4:51 am

The movie just says that Riker is going to be assigned to command the USS Titan. It never says what class of ship that is.

It was never canonically revealed what type of ship the Titan was supposed to be, and it was never shown on screen.

The Titan was designed for a contest put out by Pocket Books and it was won by Sean Tourangeau. Since it was never shown on screen it is not canon.

The Star Trek canon is generally defined as all live-action television series and feature films released by Paramount Pictures

The Books published by Pocket Books is Official Non-Cannon

posted on September 11th, 2010, 7:01 am

lol omg dude are your facts ever wrong  the Titan you posted  is the Luna class Titan

Star Trek Nemesis established William T. Riker's new command, the USS Titan, but offered no information about that ship. When Pocket Books launched the Star Trek: Titan book series, they held a competition to design the new Luna class. The winning design by Sean Tourangeau was announced on October 6, 2005. Tourangeau then worked with artist Ellery O'Connell to develop a 3D model of the Titan, which debuted on the cover of the fourth Titan novel, Sword of Damocles.   

posted on September 11th, 2010, 7:04 am

p.s.  I KNOW the designer of the Aventine Mark Rademaker  and i have also talked to Sean  hell Sean posts stuff on SCN  Subspace Comms Network all the time so  before you post your "facts" you might want to be careful about them as you never know who knows who 

posted on September 11th, 2010, 8:18 am

Are you talking to me or him??

posted on September 11th, 2010, 9:58 am

The movie Star Trek Nemesis is where I'm getting this, there wasn't a scene but at Paramount, they had the USS Titan already designed and they did have someoen even design the ship for production but it was never used.

nope, that is factually incorrect. dircome posted the evidence. and adm bassia confirmed it. it was a fan designed thing.

I know that I'm correct on this because unlike some people, I did research

dont give me that attitude, your research was flawed obviously, i did my research, so did dircome, and bassia didnt even need to research as he talked to the designer.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I happen to know that I have the correct information. Maybe you can do the research to prove otherwise.

the only person who should be disappointed is you, i did my research, dircome just posted it.

Google Images - The Titan is among the scematics.

the titan is featured among some FAN MADE schematics, wow thats solid evidence (!), if u checked this evidence you would see its not canon either, its not even official. its from lcars24.

Google Images - The Model

if u actually bothered looking at YOUR OWN EVIDENCE. you would realise that this is not from paramount either. meaning its not canon. the designer and maker of this model are clearly listed under the image. how you failed to notice this is beyond me.

next time do some real research before u think you can give us the attitude. and even if u have good evidence, dont give the attitude, its annoying and will cause confrontation.

summation:

canon things:

• there is a ship in starfleet called titan (well at the end of nemesis there was, maybe riker let troi drive and she crashed)
• riker is captain and troi is on the ship too

non canon things:

• any and every book, without exception, and thus anything in those books that is not in canon somewhere else
• the whole akira rip-off luna class and the way the titan/luna class appears

posted on September 11th, 2010, 8:09 pm

The Luna class is nice and all, and I admit that the Titan novels have been the exception to the lousy novels following Death in Winter.  Still, making a big deal over how they're official is nonsense, since it's already established that the FO timeline diverges from the novel timeline before the Luna-class ships were built. 

Considering where the novel timeline has taken things (azure nebula, anyone?), can you really say that's a bad thing?

(Also worth noting is that the shatnerverse novels which are also paramount-approved have the USS Titan as a Galaxy-class ship.)

posted on September 11th, 2010, 8:41 pm

Crap... how could the do that to a Galaxy? There's few of them as it is!

non canon things:

• any and every book, without exception, and thus anything in those books that is not in canon somewhere else
• the whole akira rip-off luna class and the way the titan/luna class appears

That part interests me, because the Luna only has a similarity to the Akira in pod and nacelle placement.

posted on September 11th, 2010, 8:43 pm

Yeah, it is similarly laid out, but not a rip off.  I actually like the design, but it is by no means canon.

posted on September 11th, 2010, 11:13 pm

i think it's a rip off.

it looks like the design started with the akira, and then changes were made to make it look different.

things are in the same places, and the shapes are very similar.

i like the akira design, the luna design wouldnt be so bad if it didnt look so much like the akira.

the raised portions on the saucer dont need to be there, on the akira they lead to the back of the ship and the nacelles, but here they dont go anywhere, and they serve only as a reminder of how much the ship looks like the akira.

kinda like the nx-01 akira-prise, but not as bad.

posted on September 11th, 2010, 11:19 pm

Nacelles go down and it has a pod. Other than that, they don't look much alike. Saucer is a different shape, and it has a different (and single) engineering hull.

It's about as much of an Akira rip-off as the Nebula is a Miranda rip-off.

posted on September 11th, 2010, 11:23 pm

Well, I would call the nebula a Galaxy rip off, but...

The point is that if a design is good, why wouldn't they re use it?  Even if its just the layout.  It saves resources and time to re-use certain aspects.

Is the miranda a rip off of the constitution?  the answer is Yes!  It has a Saucer section, naclles, an enginering section of some sort, it is the same color, it has phasers and photons...  Yes, certain aspects of ships are "Ripped-off" of other ships.  It doesn't make a ship any less cool, it just means that the design was good enough that they could reuse certain features.

But opinion is opinion and there's no use arguing.

posted on September 11th, 2010, 11:26 pm

Nacelles go down and it has a pod. Other than that, they don't look much alike. Saucer is a different shape, and it has a different (and single) engineering hull.

It's about as much of an Akira rip-off as the Nebula is a Miranda rip-off.

the deflector is in the same place. it even is same shape as akira deflector.

and it has those funny raised things on the saucer, which were sensible on the akira, but silly here.

the nebula looks substantially different from the miranda, mainly because they are from different eras. but the akira and luna are from the same era. when i looked at the luna, my first thought was how it looked like an akira rip off.