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[Tyler]

posted on September 11th, 2010, 11:35 pm

Last edited by Tyler on September 11th, 2010, 11:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The deflector is where a Sovereign has it, which is also where the Nebula has its deflector. Admittedly those saucer things do look pretty strange, but the Nebula has an almost identical saucer as a Galaxy and no rip-off claimed are heard.

The era the Nebula and Miranda come from doesn't matter, what matters is the similarities are limited to nacelle placement and presence of a pod. The point is the level of similarity is little different.

All of the Akira I see in it are the nacelles, the pod and the wierd raised things. The rest looks more Sovereign/Intrepid-style to me.

posted on September 11th, 2010, 11:39 pm

i think it's a rip off.

it looks like the design started with the akira, and then changes were made to make it look different.

things are in the same places, and the shapes are very similar.

i like the akira design, the luna design wouldnt be so bad if it didnt look so much like the akira.

the raised portions on the saucer dont need to be there, on the akira they lead to the back of the ship and the nacelles, but here they dont go anywhere, and they serve only as a reminder of how much the ship looks like the akira.

kinda like the nx-01 akira-prise, but not as bad.

And the Galaxy is obviously a ripoff of the Constitution class, how horrible!

posted on September 12th, 2010, 2:29 am

The Luna class is nice and all, and I admit that the Titan novels have been the exception to the lousy novels following Death in Winter.  Still, making a big deal over how they're official is nonsense, since it's already established that the FO timeline diverges from the novel timeline before the Luna-class ships were built. 

Considering where the novel timeline has taken things (azure nebula, anyone?), can you really say that's a bad thing?

(Also worth noting is that the shatnerverse novels which are also paramount-approved have the USS Titan as a Galaxy-class ship.)

When it comes to William Shatner's novels, they were mostly published before Star Trek Nemesis so that USS Titan has nothing to do with the Luna-class version. And just to refresh my memory, even though I'm reading Shatner's Star Trek novels for my third time now, what book has the Galaxy-class USS Titan?

What happend at the Azure Nebula was a terrible moment in history (not really history yet) but it did at least lead to the mystery of the NX-02 Columbia being solved and that ship returning home to Earth Orbit.

There has been alot of divergence in Star Trek though and alot of mystery, "The Lost Years" and the years before Kirk's first 5 Year Mission.

These are all things taht I've set out to clear up in my Star Trek Novels (not just the one I've started a thread about), but I have included William Shatner's timeline just to bring back Teilani since she was lost in a transporter accident and didn't really die... (To learn more, you'll have to read my novel, or wait for the revisions to be completed)

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By any chance, when does the Fleet Ops Timeline Diverge (or break off) from the rest of the Star Trek Universe?

posted on September 12th, 2010, 2:35 am

p.s.  I KNOW the designer of the Aventine Mark Rademaker  and i have also talked to Sean   hell Sean posts stuff on SCN  Subspace Comms Network all the time so  before you post your "facts" you might want to be careful about them as you never know who knows who 

My facts are from messages with staff at both Pocket Books and Paramount, especially since I'm writting a Star Trek novel, they have to know about my ideas and to get some ideas, I had to ask some questions.

This is why continuing my novels revisions is taking alot longer than I want it too, because I have been given permission to try and keep the novels to canon, this starts with Commander Charles "Trip" Tucker really being dead, and taking the "so called alive/spy one" created by Mangles and Martin and "Killing Him Off Again".

I'm tying in and slightly fixing William Shatner's but leaving that partially alone too

I'm also incorportating the Azure Nebula and all te conflict with the Borg and the Caeliar.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 2:41 am

nope, that is factually incorrect. dircome posted the evidence. and adm bassia confirmed it. it was a fan designed thing.

dont give me that attitude, your research was flawed obviously, i did my research, so did dircome, and bassia didnt even need to research as he talked to the designer.

the only person who should be disappointed is you, i did my research, dircome just posted it.

the titan is featured among some FAN MADE schematics, wow thats solid evidence (!), if u checked this evidence you would see its not canon either, its not even official. its from lcars24.

if u actually bothered looking at YOUR OWN EVIDENCE. you would realise that this is not from paramount either. meaning its not canon. the designer and maker of this model are clearly listed under the image. how you failed to notice this is beyond me.

next time do some real research before u think you can give us the attitude. and even if u have good evidence, dont give the attitude, its annoying and will cause confrontation.

summation:

canon things:

• there is a ship in starfleet called titan (well at the end of nemesis there was, maybe riker let troi drive and she crashed)
• riker is captain and troi is on the ship too

non canon things:

• any and every book, without exception, and thus anything in those books that is not in canon somewhere else
• the whole akira rip-off luna class and the way the titan/luna class appears

All of my information comes from contacts at Paramount and Pocket Books, plus they don't get the credit for the designs the original creator does.

But since my information was set from Paramount with the links back when my pre-revisions novel was done, I'd believe them over anyone else since they hold all the licenses to Star Trek, them and Roddenberry.

[Redshirt]

posted on September 12th, 2010, 2:57 am

Last edited by Redshirt on September 12th, 2010, 2:59 am, edited 1 time in total.

When it comes to William Shatner's novels, they were mostly published before Star Trek Nemesis so that USS Titan has nothing to do with the Luna-class version. And just to refresh my memory, even though I'm reading Shatner's Star Trek novels for my third time now, what book has the Galaxy-class USS Titan?

What happend at the Azure Nebula was a terrible moment in history (not really history yet) but it did at least lead to the mystery of the NX-02 Columbia being solved and that ship returning home to Earth Orbit.

There has been alot of divergence in Star Trek though and alot of mystery, "The Lost Years" and the years before Kirk's first 5 Year Mission.

These are all things taht I've set out to clear up in my Star Trek Novels (not just the one I've started a thread about), but I have included William Shatner's timeline just to bring back Teilani since she was lost in a transporter accident and didn't really die... (To learn more, you'll have to read my novel, or wait for the revisions to be completed)

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By any chance, when does the Fleet Ops Timeline Diverge (or break off) from the rest of the Star Trek Universe?

First, the most recent books suck.  They're terrible because they suck.  Any book that destroys the combined fleets of every power in the quadrant in a single battle automatically sucks, not to mention the whole 'Janeway-gets-assimilated' nonsense.

Now that that's out of the way, the Titan is mentioned in Shatner's decidedly sub-par entry set immediately after the events of Nemesis.  I think is was called "Captain's Blood" or something similar.

The Fleet Ops timeline diverges after the Dominion War.

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Oh yeah, and the Aventine sucks.  Captain Ezri Dax?  Are you kidding me?  There isn't a single more competant officer anywhere in Starfleet?  I bet we see no less than five more competent redshirts every episode!!

posted on September 12th, 2010, 2:59 am

Fact 1.  ST: Nemesis  came out in 2002  

Fact 2. Sean Tourangeau entered the Pocket Books contest for the Design of the Luna class in 2005


So how could the design of the Luna class have already been decided on at the end of Nemesis. Whoever you "talked" to at Paramount was themselves mistaken  now if I have to to I will talk to Michael and Denise Okuda myself

Anyways  whats OFFICIAL to pocket books is NOT cannon to Fleet Operations or to Paramount anything HEARD or SEEN on a TV episode or Movie supersedes and takes Precedent or otherwise overrides ANYTHING in print.   If you really have a problem with this take a que from anther book series and consider Fleet Ops one the the Myriad Universes Star Trek: Myriad Universes - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki which if you see is by Pocket Books.  

posted on September 12th, 2010, 3:35 am

I apologize to Zeich and the Mods for my part in the derailment of this thread.  this is my final say on the matter of Cannon  Paramount can say the Luna is official ok fine its Official but untill its on screen in some fashion it is NOT CANNON.  Furthermore it does not matter if it is Cannon or not  Fleet Ops is a divergent timeline therefore it is not bound by cannon laws after the end of the Dominion war  So if the Creators of Fleet Ops want to USS Titan to be an Oberth class they can do it and should not get nitpicked at by any rabid fans that think the Luna class is the all holy and must be the only ship named Titan. for that matter in the Fleet Ops Timeline even if the Titan was a Luna class it could have been destroyed thsu freeing the name up for use on any other class of ship.

Now lets end this debate and get back on track

posted on September 12th, 2010, 3:58 am

Fact 1.  ST: Nemesis  came out in 2002  

Fact 2. Sean Tourangeau entered the Pocket Books contest for the Design of the Luna class in 2005


So how could the design of the Luna class have already been decided on at the end of Nemesis. Whoever you "talked" to at Paramount was themselves mistaken  now if I have to to I will talk to Michael and Denise Okuda myself

Anyways  whats OFFICIAL to pocket books is NOT cannon to Fleet Operations or to Paramount anything HEARD or SEEN on a TV episode or Movie supersedes and takes Precedent or otherwise overrides ANYTHING in print.   If you really have a problem with this take a que from anther book series and consider Fleet Ops one the the Myriad Universes Star Trek: Myriad Universes - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki which if you see is by Pocket Books.

****First to let you know something, that is actual fact, Memory Alpha is for all things Canon in Star Trek, well Memory Beta is the opposite and for all things Non-Canon, so to quote directly to Memory Alpha makes it canon unless it links back to Memory Beta in some form or another. I'm not stating this directly, I found it on Memory Alpha and Memory Beta.****

Ican't be held responsible for mis-information from those at Pocket Books and Paramount, but I'd have to take their information directly before I can of any fans, and since I was actually told that there was supposed to be a scene in Nemesis that was to show the Titan leaving Earth past the Enterprise in the shipyard, a scene that hadn't been made because they didn't know what to use for the Titan model so it was scrapped, the ship class that I was told was the planned to use was "Luna-class, the design contest was thus held to finally get a design onto the Titan books to finally show the ship and to get rid of everyone's speculations on the class. As  stated already,  Ican't be held responsible for misinformation and am not at fault, after all "poetic license".

The series of books you sighted as proof isn't true proof because the title clearly states "Myraid Universe"  meaning a "Different Universe" like the Mirror Universe or the universes that the TNG Episode where there wer multiple Worf's or the series final of TNG "All Good Things "creates alternate universes. In fact, everyone's speculations into Star Trek create alterante universes.

I apologize to Zeich and the Mods for my part in the derailment of this thread.  this is my final say on the matter of Cannon  Paramount can say the Luna is official ok fine its Official but untill its on screen in some fashion it is NOT CANNON.  Furthermore it does not matter if it is Cannon or not  Fleet Ops is a divergent timeline therefore it is not bound by cannon laws after the end of the Dominion war  So if the Creators of Fleet Ops want to USS Titan to be an Oberth class they can do it and should not get nitpicked at by any rabid fans that think the Luna class is the all holy and must be the only ship named Titan. for that matter in the Fleet Ops Timeline even if the Titan was a Luna class it could have been destroyed thsu freeing the name up for use on any other class of ship.

Now lets end this debate and get back on track

Yea, just get back on track with the relevant things...

posted on September 12th, 2010, 4:59 am

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Nemesis

Well, Memory Alpha says nothing about it.  I trust memory alpha more than I trust you.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 5:08 am

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Nemesis

Well, Memory Alpha says nothing about it.  I trust memory alpha more than I trust you.

Well I trust those at Paramount and those at Pocket Books before you or anyone really at Memory Alpha or Memory Beta, because guess what, those sites are just like Wikipedia, in fact they are just for Star Trek though and in college they tell us when ever they had out a paper that we have to write: [b]Don't trust any Wikipedia site because anyone can edit the pages and even use the site, they can change any of the information that is there or edit it[/b] actually, I've fixed up some information at both Memory Alpha and Memory Beta because I found the wrong information and I had the proof to back it up, both from an episode and also from a few books, so guess what, you might actually be reading the information that I put in because its factual and is gotten right directly from my reseach.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 5:35 am

Sigh.  Y'know, this just needs to die.  The Okinawa is great, and I can't wait for the next update.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 6:17 am

Sigh.  Y'know, this just needs to die.  The Okinawa is great, and I can't wait for the next update.

Weaponds control lock on this thread and FIRE a full Quatam and Photon  torpedo Spread! Thread  destroyed Captain!

posted on September 12th, 2010, 10:40 am

The deflector is where a Sovereign has it, which is also where the Nebula has its deflector. Admittedly those saucer things do look pretty strange, but the Nebula has an almost identical saucer as a Galaxy and no rip-off claimed are heard.

the galaxy and nebula are meant to look familiar, as they are intended to be from same design lineage. just like constitution refit and tmp miranda.

with the luna, its not meant to look like an akira, but it does.

i have to disagree with you on that.

about the titan: riker probably let troi drive and she crashed into another planet so the titan is destroyed anyway

posted on September 12th, 2010, 7:26 pm

They poke fun at Troi over that. In some of the novels.  When Troi got temp command of a Sabre class Marco Polo during the TNG Gateways book  she was giving a Crash Helmet as a gag gift when leaving the Enterprise to take command of the Marco Polo.