Federation and capital ships (Excalibur class)

posted on July 7th, 2009, 12:24 am

yeah, I know, and again I'm sorry for the miss under standing. 

I would change it, but the edit might look bad on my part.  I will keep it a - to show that is what it origionally was.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 1:17 am

Oh, and there is no need to be rude, quadd, cus you guys obviously mis understood me.  Saying, "look it up" is condescending.  Oh, and Tyler, I think I understasnd your post now, I think you ment to say, twice, not half, but you are right either way. 

Sorry, but I just felt I needed to clarify My post there.  I know the Galaxy is smaller than the warbird, and that is what I put.  Sorry if we miss understood each other.  no hard feelings.

Considering its wingspan, the Norexan also outsizes both the Sovereign and the Galaxy. Furthermore, the Intrepid, Defiant, Sovereign, and experimental Prometheus were being heralded as the latest in Starfleet ship design circa the 2370s - all of them smaller in terms of displacement and crew size than the Galaxy. The trend runs opposite the big fat Excalibur.

[Anonymous]

posted on July 7th, 2009, 1:22 am

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Fine, don't accept that logic.    I doubt the Excalibur would be as big as a cube, or the juggarnought, or the huet, anyway.  I still think it would be cool. I guess I can't give you a good reason, other than I like it a lot. :lol:

Oh, and I see, that you are right, that the trend of smaller ships seems to prevail, but none of these ships were made to counter the larger ships I mentined, so I still think it would fit that roll.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 2:22 am

Fine, don't accept that logic.    I doubt the Excalibur would be as big as a cube, or the juggarnought, or the huet, anyway.  I still think it would be cool. I guess I can't give you a good reason, other than I like it a lot. :lol:

Oh, and I see, that you are right, that the trend of smaller ships seems to prevail, but none of these ships were made to counter the larger ships I mentined, so I still think it would fit that roll.

The U.S.S. Prometheus actually owned both a Nebula- and a D'deridex-class in the episode it was introduced, and that was without a full crew complement (to say the least, in the latter instance). As for the Defiant, it was shown to be more than a match for a Keldon-class battleship in the eponymous episode with a ragtag crew under Lieutenant Thomas Riker's command, and the Sovereign-class U.S.S. Enterprise-E totally outclassed a much larger Son'a battleship in Insurrection.

Knowing what we know about Starfleet ship design, I think it's unlikely a Federation ship built during the 24th or early 25th century would exceed 800-900 meters tops. The window size on the noncanon Century-class (which I use as the U.S.S. Enterprise-F, class entering service in late 2399 and Enterprise commissioned in late 2410) puts it at around 810 meters in length, about as large an increase over the Sovereign as the Sovereign was over the Galaxy. And I can't really imagine the Federation would have any ships too much larger than the flagship.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 4:30 am

i think starfleet tends to favor smaller more manuveurable ships than the others.  it was commented in DS9 that the romulan warbirds were considered a failure since they were easily killed by the dominion.

the defiant seems to be the current design philosophy of starfleet.  compact in design with lots and lots of firepower on it.  the defiant outgunned a klingon vorcha cruiser which was 3 times its size.  and it owned the negvar in the mirror universe and that was without ablative armor and quantum torpedoes and a tiny crew.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 9:31 pm

Oh, and there is no need to be rude, quadd, cus you guys obviously mis understood me.  Saying, "look it up" is condescending.  Oh, and Sao, I think I understasnd your post now, I think you ment to say, twice, not half, but you are right either way. 

Sorry, but I just felt I needed to clarify My post there.  I know the Galaxy is smaller than the warbird, and that is what I put.  Sorry if we miss understood each other.  no hard feelings.

No prob.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be a jerk. I appreciate your comments and contributions always 

posted on July 7th, 2009, 9:35 pm

Thanks, quad.

i think starfleet tends to favor smaller more manuveurable ships than the others.  it was commented in DS9 that the romulan warbirds were considered a failure since they were easily killed by the dominion.

the defiant seems to be the current design philosophy of starfleet.  compact in design with lots and lots of firepower on it.  the defiant outgunned a klingon vorcha cruiser which was 3 times its size.   and it owned the negvar in the mirror universe and that was without ablative armor and quantum torpedoes and a tiny crew.

This is true, but I think the design of the Excalibur is more of a city ship, made to hole enormous amounts of crew,  much like the galaxy, So it would be an update to the out of date galaxy.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 9:38 pm

This is true, but I think the design of the Excalibur is more of a city ship, made to hole enormous amounts of crew,  much like the galaxy, So it would be an update to the out of date galaxy.

Strikes me more of a Command Cruiser, using it's size the way the Negh'Var does.

the out of date galaxy.

I'll pretend I didn't read that part...

[Anonymous]

posted on July 7th, 2009, 9:48 pm

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lol, sorry to offend.  I mean they don't build them any more.  they are on the old warpin slot now.  They can still hold their own.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 10:51 pm

there was actually a huge battle ship in a mod for bridge commander.  the problem with big ships as they are easy prey for a group of smaller more maneuverable ships as we saw with the romulans vs the dominion.  they are a tremendous waste or resources.  i think that starfleet is looking to defiant type ships as their new mainstay.  the kill ratio on the defiant is probably higher than any nebula or galaxy out there.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 10:57 pm

yeah i agree but big ships can be the heavy hitters,still like them and think many ships should be added to fed line up,starting with smaller and gettin to bigger,like nova class and excalibur,tweaked my game and have extra ships to build from mckinely yard,though ds9 wud be cool in it,even as stationary map object

posted on July 8th, 2009, 12:48 pm

Ds9 would be kick ass.  make it twice as expensive as a typical starbase but twice as powerful and can only build one.  that would be sweet. 

posted on July 8th, 2009, 12:52 pm

I doubt DS9 is more powerful than a regular Federation or Cardassian Starbase.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 1:02 pm

It was old, and run down.  I Agree, 'cause it would have been brought back to power,  but it still wouldn't be fully operational

posted on July 8th, 2009, 2:05 pm

just been watching voyager why not give the feds the uss relativity the romulans the decius from the episode future imperfect and the klingons the voodeigh from all good things?