Federation and capital ships (Excalibur class)

posted on June 13th, 2009, 5:08 am

That was not a real sphere (look how small it is in comparison to the enterprise) its a "escape pod" sphere.

posted on June 13th, 2009, 8:32 am

Though the Enterprise-E is a Sovereign-Class Ship, it is a bad reference because it´s a hero ship, my god almost any senior crew member is some kind of legend. 

posted on June 13th, 2009, 10:20 am

That was not a real sphere (look how small it is in comparison to the enterprise) its a "escape pod" sphere.

According to "Regeneration" it was still 600m across.

posted on June 13th, 2009, 11:09 am

I agree that the Sovereign is a bit underpowered. Has anyone played the Kobayashi Maru mod for Bridge Commander? I would like to see the Sovereign in Fleet Operations like it is in this mod.

posted on June 13th, 2009, 11:23 am

Note how in BC you are expected and able to blast your way through hundreds of keldons and galors, and that in that game you are able to go from coming apart at the seams to instant repair in the starbase.

I agree, the soverign is meant to be powerful.

And it is. I have no arguement with the way the sovvie is right now.

[Atlantis]

posted on June 14th, 2009, 9:46 am

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With regards to the Sphere size, I'd say there's not that much size difference between the one in FC and the one in Endgame. In FC, you never see the Sphere in comparison to the Ent-E, but as the Cube explodes you can kinda compare it to the Akira-class that flies past behind the Sphere, so you can kinda get a minimum size bracket on the Sphere from that (the Akira flew much closer to the camera). And in Endgame, the "holding bay" that held the Intrepid gives you an idea of that Sphere's size. I'm not sure, I'm only going from memory, but looking at that, they can't be THAT different... can they?

and that in that game you are able to go from coming apart at the seams to instant repair in the starbase.

It's not "instant" as such. The screen just fades out for a second and the time passes then. Call it a "commercial break" or whatever. But it's not "instant" instant.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 10:02 am

if i had to guess, i'd say, theres 2 different types of borg spheres.
so the one in endgame was some sort of a warship (or patrolship or an explorer), while the one in FC was kinda escape-pod like.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 11:33 am

All Sphere's are probably the same, the Borg seem to like multi-purpose ships as much as the Federation.

posted on June 14th, 2009, 9:43 pm

There's no reason for anything borg to be exactly the same size perfection doesn't necessarily dictate volume, only relative dimensions I'd say.

*facepalm*

I thought Section 31 wasn't getting access to high-end ships.

Honestly though, when did Section 31 actually control these vessels: sure they had officers, but an entire ship(s)? I'm sure Starfleet would be awfully interested in why their ships and bases mysteriously vanish into the ether...

Better question: Why would Starfleet call for help from their version of the Tal Shiar, who they hate to even admit exists.

Don't you remember one of the quotes from an episode of DS9.

"But when Starfleet needs the dirty work to get done they turn the other way..." - Benjamin Sisko

"Isn't that what Section 31 does all the time?" - Julian Bashir

According to this Section 31 does the work that Starfleet doesn't want to do. So basically Section 31 raises their hand to get those jobs done. 

Right, Section 31 (being a "black ops" type organisation) would recieve intel for whatever reason then act on it all completely separately from SFC. They could very easily set up a task force for a mission, imo. The force in question wouldn't question the orders, because they wouldn't come signed "Section 31"
They don't do "stuff that Starfleet don't want or can't do" by default, they just do what they believe is their duty in protecting the Federation, behind the scenes. If it happens that the only way is to torture or someone, or something is in their way they won't hesitate to do "what is necessary".

posted on July 6th, 2009, 2:57 am

i love section 31.........they are the ones with the cahonies to actually get stuff done while the rest of the pussies and whiners in starfleet pat themselves on the back about how "enlightened" they are and how superior they are since they dont do things like that.  i laughed at bashir response to the admiral in the episode where they framed the romulan.  only an idiot would think like that,  so much for genetic intelligence. 

one of my all time fave episodes for DS9  was called "a pale moonlight"  and it involved sisko having to do something that no respectable starfleet officer would ever do and that is actually get someone killed to save even more lives.  he can rip on section 31 all he wants but he did exactly the same thing when push came to shove.

section 31 does have ships as evidenced when bashir was kidnapped and held on a ship of somekind.  however i think they would be limited to small ships probably with cloaking devices  and not large battleships that would attract attention.  they are a intellegince and counter intelligence organization and you dont draw attention to yourself with big fancy fleets.

posted on July 6th, 2009, 6:42 am

*stays out of it*.... Ok i wont: the people in section 31 do that sort of thing as a matter of course (i'm guessing here since you barely ever hear of them), while "regular" starfleet officers only do that when theres absolutely no other choice (and some wouldn't do it period i imagine). That's the difference between starfleet and section 31. Anyway, yeah you have a point i don't think you'd see battleships flying around with "Section 31" stamped on the side firing phasers at any ship "deemed to be acting against federation interests" or something like that.

[nathanj]

posted on July 6th, 2009, 8:22 am

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i do agree with you,  although i tend to think that section 31 only acts when it absolutely has to act.   if you can get someone else to do it for you why would you risk exposing yourself and using up resources. 

there was an episode where the cardassian tailor (forgot his name)  was talking to sisko about how humans were one of the few races that put so many rules and regulations on warfare.  and he was right.   it was the episode where a ship they captured crash landed.

as much as i love star trek i get a little tired of the preachiness of it all.   im sorry but i just dont see humanities future through such rose colored glasses.....which is probably why i like star wars more.  one of the reasons i loved sisko more than picard and frankly i like janeway a bit better than picard even though i thought voyager as a show sucked was that those captains, especially sisko, didnt mind getting their hands dirty.  section 31 was a godsend and gave me a little hope that at least some people in starfleet werent a bunch of tree huggin hippies.

to the point of setion 31 ships i actually cant think of any way you could incorporate that into a game,  unless you just copy/pasted what the talshiar do from the romulans.

posted on July 6th, 2009, 12:05 pm

speaking of nemesis if shinzon wanted the enterprise destroyed then 52 disruptor banks 27 photon torpedo launchers primary and secondary shields says it all really enterprise would have been wiped out in seconds also in game the sovereign should have multiple phaser arrays and both photon and quantum torpedos

posted on July 6th, 2009, 4:19 pm

speaking of nemesis if shinzon wanted the enterprise destroyed then 52 disruptor banks 27 photon torpedo launchers primary and secondary shields says it all really enterprise would have been wiped out in seconds also in game the sovereign should have multiple phaser arrays and both photon and quantum torpedos

I do not agree. It is safe to assume that the Enterprise -E is more advanced than any regular Sovereign since she is the flag ship. She is outfitted for multiple purposes because of her command ship classification. So not every Sovereign should necessarily be as 'outfitted'.

[Tyler]

posted on July 6th, 2009, 4:26 pm

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I doubt the Enterprise is any different to other Sovereign's, she just benifits from an experienced and creative crew.

Experience doesn't 'rank-up' ships in the show.