Federation and capital ships (Excalibur class)

[Tyler]

posted on July 8th, 2009, 2:16 pm

Last edited by Tyler on July 8th, 2009, 2:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.

USS Relativity - USS = Starfleet = Temporal Prime Directive = Never going to interfere (directly). If things like that are in, they would be map units.

The 'Voodieh' is a non-canon name for a Negh'Var varient, a varient that is already in-game. The current Negh'Var (until it reaches veteran) has the exact appearance of a Voodieh.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 4:45 pm

Knowing what we know about Starfleet ship design, I think it's unlikely a Federation ship built during the 24th or early 25th century would exceed 800-900 meters tops. The window size on the noncanon Century-class (which I use as the U.S.S. Enterprise-F, class entering service in late 2399 and Enterprise commissioned in late 2410) puts it at around 810 meters in length, about as large an increase over the Sovereign as the Sovereign was over the Galaxy. And I can't really imagine the Federation would have any ships too much larger than the flagship.

Umm, I have a problem with that last statement. TOS era enterprise was the flagship and the Constitution Class was substantially smaller than the Excelsior Class which was launched not long after the Constitution Class Refit and still remained the flagship. So just because it's the flagship doesnt mean it's the largest ship in the fleet.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 4:50 pm

The Sovereign was longer than the Galaxy, but wasn't as wide or tall. Would that make the Sovereign bigger when it's only larger in one way and not in multiple others?

Don't know about mass though.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 4:54 pm

i think the sovereign was supposed to be a more combat streamlined version of the galaxy.  lots of extra space on galaxy class ships.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 5:06 pm

The Galaxy had much more volume then the Sovereign, so I think it is fairly safe to say that it had higher mass as well.

[Actium]

posted on July 8th, 2009, 5:12 pm

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galaxy class was build as multirole ship, even though mainly as science ship. But the class prooved itself as one of the best Battleship-Classes in the dominion war. The Sovreign was developed with the knowledge that the borg could attack allday ... so its far more desgined for combat, even though it has a quite weak hull compared to a galaxy class because the feds knew a ship without shields is dead anyway against the borg..

posted on July 8th, 2009, 10:29 pm

I'm curious Actium what makes you say the Galaxy had a stronger hull armor than the Sovereign. Remember the Sovereign had the benefit of Ablative armor having been invented and implemented.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 10:31 pm

The S31 Sovereign has Dual-Ablative Armor. Even Better!

posted on July 8th, 2009, 11:04 pm

Umm, I have a problem with that last statement. TOS era enterprise was the flagship and the Constitution Class was substantially smaller than the Excelsior Class which was launched not long after the Constitution Class Refit and still remained the flagship. So just because it's the flagship doesnt mean it's the largest ship in the fleet.

The Enterprise-A was decommissioned just seven years after its launch in favor of the Excelsior-class Enterprise-B, even though the Constitution-class starship was still in service (seems a safe bet considering production was ongoing as of 2286 and ships like the Miranda and Constellation still served in Starfleet nearly a century after their construction). I'd say that indicates a desire for Starfleet to show off their most advanced technology and most capable vessel as flagship of the fleet.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 11:27 pm

The Enterprise-A was decommissioned just seven years after its launch in favor of the Excelsior-class Enterprise-B, even though the Constitution-class starship was still in service (seems a safe bet considering production was ongoing as of 2286 and ships like the Miranda and Constellation still served in Starfleet nearly a century after their construction). I'd say that indicates a desire for Starfleet to show off their most advanced technology and most capable vessel as flagship of the fleet.

Yes but that doesn't mean it's always the biggest ship.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 11:56 pm

Yes but that doesn't mean it's always the biggest ship.

Not necessarily the biggest, but in that neighborhood. You're certainly not going to see the Enterprise-E steaming into battle leading a fleet of ships twice its length and several times its mass like the fanon Excalibur.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 11:59 pm

fannon?  If you meant cannon, I thought the excalibur was non cannon.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 12:13 am

Cannon = On Show.

Non-Canon = Not on show
Liscenced = official Games/books/cards etc
Fannon = fan made ships, sites etc.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 12:34 am

Ah, I did not know that.  Then I believe you would.  Soverign would be more standard, as well as defiants, akiras, and steamrunners, and the like, but there would be no need to have more than one excalibur.  However if your point is that it is not very fed in design, I dissagree.  It meats the Saucer, and nacelles law, (which isn't a lax considering steamrunners, and defiants).  And I don't think there is a spacific look that fed ships follow.  There have been nsome trends, but they were all thrown out the window, starting with the reliant, then the defiant, steamrunner akira, then the voyager, ans so on.  Even nacelles on top arn't even sacred. 

sure it is huge, but there is no rule about sise, and we saw the massive sise of the ent J in enterprise, so maybe ships in the future are larger, the federation has just spread so much, they are generational ships, made to explore distant quadrants.  Because the Federation has expanded so much, there is no need for small exploration/ war ships.  Only large ships that can hold their own like cubes.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 3:48 am

I'm curious Actium what makes you say the Galaxy had a stronger hull armor than the Sovereign. Remember the Sovereign had the benefit of Ablative armor having been invented and implemented.

amor alone doesnt make a strong hull, specally the Odyssey took a shitload hits from the jem'hadar attack ships and did stay operational ... till it was rammed, but no ship whould have surived that one.. The sovreign has a disadvantage here due to its sleek desgin, even with the ablative amor (which doenst help that much tbh). its simple logic here: the shp that has more room left after putting in the essential systems has a advantage here, and that is clearly the galaxy.
Also i dunno why people the ablative amor got so famous ... it helps a bit, but it doesnt do wonders.