What do you think will/would happen to the Cardassians (post

posted on June 25th, 2010, 11:26 pm

There's also the possibility that they didn't trust the Dominion or Cardassians, and were wearing full suits of power armor, and letting people believe that they were just environmental suits.

posted on June 26th, 2010, 12:41 am

You forget the old Romulan proverb: "If knowledge is power, then to be unknown is to be unconquerable.".

I suspect that the suit only serves to hide what and who they are. It might serve no purpose but to misdirect. Their planet being the opposite of what one would expect simply plays into that. Perhaps the Breen Confederacy isn't a Confederacy at all, and perhaps they used the Dominion for some ulterior purpose as opposed to the other way around.

Just throwing it out there.

posted on June 26th, 2010, 3:26 pm

even though im quite sure that the breen still had to pay the price for the war. Considering that Klingons and Romulans dont forgive without any payment ... either in blood or in technology or some kind of law that doesnt allow the breen to build up there military again in the same way they had it

posted on June 26th, 2010, 3:31 pm

If the Federation got its way (like it normally does), the Breen probably had to disarm the fleet and only keep enough warships for defence.

Assuming anything bad actually happened to them, the alliances influence after the war probably doesn't extend into Breen space. They'd likely be uneffected aside from the lives lost in Dominion space during the war.

posted on June 26th, 2010, 8:13 pm

There's also the possibility that they didn't trust the Dominion or Cardassians, and were wearing full suits of power armor, and letting people believe that they were just environmental suits.

i doubt it was power armour, it would be nice to see more power armour in trek, but i dont think it would be for the breen, we saw one of them wearing the power armour in a dominion prison, the dominion wouldnt let enemy pows keep armour lol. and we saw them in non combat situations wearing it too.

[Greyusurper]

posted on June 26th, 2010, 8:32 pm

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maybe the suit serves another purpose. maybe on their homeplanet they can survive without tech, but to leave they need a suit, maybe it is to give them an atmosphere they can breathe, or a radiation they need to surive, or some other thing.

A good point Myleswolfers, I also am starting to think that they may need some rare element that is native in their home atmosphere to survive, yet maybe harmless to off-worlders like the Dominion member races or the Cardassians.  The later especially, given their wide range of dealings through trading and even having an embassy on Breen.  That, or they are aware of it and take whatever precautions would be necessary, if any.  Not like they'd just randomly share that information with anyone, not officially through government or military channels at least.  Maybe in small talk, but even that is kind of rare given Cardassians xenophobia, or even down right distrust of the Federation because of the war.

Interesting point on what the Breen would have had to pay at the end of the war.  We never hear of them losing territory, having to disarm to any degree, or what if anything they had to give up to any of the alliance powers.  Personally, I like to think they fell more under Romulan supervision, but we'll never know.  Same with the Dominion though, we don't really know what they had to give up other than what they took and lost in the Alpha quadrant, on top of a Founder.  Given that the Federation probably got to hold her prisoner, and dictate terms over the Dominion in any future dealings between the two quadrants, I'd say the Federation might have lost out of the war the most in a way.  The Klingons probably got the job of primary occupation forces on worlds like Cardassia, especially since they once occupied the planet before the outset of the Dominion War even began.  Though given the state of the planet, occupation probably wasn't a huge problem and the re-establishment of something like the Datapa council would eventually oversee the return to normal in the next ten years.

It's also interesting that some of you suspect the Breen are wearing power armor, because the Breen were based off a Star Wars race.  I forget which one now, but Lea disguised herself as one in Return of the Jedi in Jabba's palace.  That is what the Breen are based off, look-wise, a race that is known for wearing power armor all the time.  Though I doubt their suit is meant to be worn as armor.  According to somewhere I read in a Star Trek encyclopedia, the Breen supposedly look like a green skinned Ferengi under those masks!  Clearly they are mostly taller than Ferengi though, and rather they have any common background history like the Romulans and Vulcans may never be known.

Regards,
-Grey

posted on June 26th, 2010, 10:04 pm

I highly doubt the Breen are based off of anything in Star Wars. They look alike, but so what? You might as well say that they are based off the Cylons because of their visual system. Its sci-fi, everything will look like something else if you look hard enough.

posted on June 26th, 2010, 10:40 pm

i doubt it was power armour, it would be nice to see more power armour in trek, but i dont think it would be for the breen, we saw one of them wearing the power armour in a dominion prison, the dominion wouldnt let enemy pows keep armour lol. and we saw them in non combat situations wearing it too.

True.  Of course, there is a very good reason for environmental suits at all times.

They're xenophobes.  They stay away from, and have little to no contact with non-breen.

Anybody remember how War of the Worlds ended?  Yeah, the Breen are probably afraid of that.

posted on June 27th, 2010, 6:34 pm

I highly doubt the Breen are based off of anything in Star Wars. They look alike, but so what? You might as well say that they are based off the Cylons because of their visual system. Its sci-fi, everything will look like something else if you look hard enough.

This is where I get my information from.
Link One:
Breen - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki
Specifically look down the page to Appendices section, subsection Background, fifth and last bullet fact.

Link Two:
Ubese - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki
Scroll down to the Behind-the-Scenes section and read the second paragraph that is only a sentence long.

I'm pretty sure I've also read elsewhere on this, but yeah, the Breen in 'appearance' are based off a Star Wars race known as the Ubese.  They do share certain similar traits, like the Ubese also only appear in their armor and never seem to let outsiders know what they look like underneath it.  Interesting, hmm?

Regards,
-Grey

posted on June 27th, 2010, 6:39 pm

I notice that line has no source...

Unless the creators of the Breen say anything, there is only speculation on what is just as likely to be a simple coincidence. It's not unusual for two fictional things to be similar without thinking about the first (or even knowing about them).

posted on June 27th, 2010, 6:40 pm

Bothans. The spies who stole the plans to the second Death star or the guys from the Voyager episode where everyone is hallucinating due to a telepath (who may not have existed)?

Star Trek writers tend to be unoriginal, often recycling plots from other Star Trek episodes.

And yes, I agree Leia's Ubese disguise is basically Breen. At the very least it's the "inspiration" for them.

posted on June 27th, 2010, 6:58 pm

'Unoriginal' is something you can say about many writers. A lot of stuff is older than people think.

posted on June 27th, 2010, 8:06 pm

All I see there is a sourceless quote from some Star Wars fans, and a line saying that the Breen look like that bounty hunter species.

So... one is more or less worthless, and the other is a fact - they do look similar. So what?

posted on June 30th, 2010, 12:40 am

Nothing, it's clearly just worthless information.

Though while looking at the Breen on Memory Beta they suggested that they may not even be carbon based lifeforms and might be silicon based.  That they are so alien from us that they do indeed survive in a frozen climate and that if removed from their suits would almost immediately melt.  Thus why Kira and company might not have seen the Breen they stole the suits from.  They melted like snowmen!  Though this is also not sited and is even more speculation than my aforementioned Breen/Ubese info.  Though for the record, I could have sworn I read more about that somewhere that was basically a hand-me-down quote from one of the producers/creators on DS9.  But finding that could take forever, or may not even be possibly anymore.

+100 cool points to anyone that does find it, or anything related in the concrete proof department though.

Regards,
-Grey

posted on June 30th, 2010, 2:05 am

Good sport.

All I know 100% is that the Breen Homeworld is tropical and they never take off their suits in public.