ST XI *SPOILER WARNING*

posted on May 11th, 2009, 12:28 pm

Maybe it was one core... but there where multiple parts of it
A simple modular construction...
Like with the refit (TWoK, the scene where one section was shut down, made it clear that the Warpcore is obviously made of multiple parts that could be handled all on there own

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:33 pm

whatever the case the people who made the movie, didn't seem to understand the treknology of the ship.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:38 pm

Maybe it was one core... but there where multiple parts of it
A simple modular construction...
Like with the refit (TWoK, the scene where one section was shut down, made it clear that the Warpcore is obviously made of multiple parts that could be handled all on there own

I don't think that section was shut down, just evacuated and operated by remote.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 6:07 pm

Ok, for the tech of the ships tbh it doesn't really matter because strictly speaking this movie was to how do I put it, all other parts of Star Trek to rest, Nero messed up the timeline and tech/people are different.  Possibly after the Kelvin incident star fleet revamped its tech in specific fields rather than others or what not, no one really knows.  The only thing that is somewhat the same is the main structure of the ship, thats about it.  Shielding technology at the time is a little neglected while weapons tech has increased, for a starfleet vessel fighting a ship over 100 years in the future is pretty good.  True the ship from the future looks like a freakin beast while it supposed to be just a mining vessel from the future.  The only thing I don't really understand is why didn't the federation send an agent from their future to investigate the incident and destroy Nero....because we know they have a huge organization about time travel and anything that interferes with the time/space continuum gets investigated...  I think what Neros' did warranted them to send a ship over there to find what hes up too...

[Anonymous]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 6:34 pm

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i dont believe nero's intervention would affect tech, as his involvement was limited to 1 engagement with the kelvin after which he was never seen till the events on vulcan.

as far as the temporal police, if we stand by the comic as a confirmed canon backdrop to nero, he was pretty active in the events leading up to the destruction of romulus.
if the temploral police were to take steps against him they would alter regular history in the 24th century.

the best time to actualyl destroy him would be the 25 year waiting period between the kelvin engagement and spock prime's arrival. Other than that they could not intercede anywhere.

Also, even if they did come in and take him out in that time, what would happen to spock once he came in. it should be noted that he AND the vulcan events played an instrumental role in getting kirk and the alternate spock together.
The loss of George kirk on the kelvin started a spiral that could have kept Jim krk from becoming captain of the enterprise. They started out at odds with each other, and w/o the influence of george kirk, James Kirk was pretty aggressive towards spock and spock was antagonistic -hitting at his father's death at the tribunal. this too would impact any future friendship between the 2. So spock prime's presence there and nero's vulcan intervention did set the spock kirk, enterprise timeline back into place with Kirk as captain of the enterprise.

Plus, once the timeline skewed there is no guarantee that this timeline would have a temporal agency that would be willing or able to go back and stop nero in this time line, while the ones from the prime timeline would only be left with the option of killing him b4 the timeline skewed meaning b4 he hit the kelvin and created the alternate gritty timeline - that would be in the 24th century and also history altering.


IMO   :sweatdrop:

posted on May 11th, 2009, 6:50 pm

i agree with serpicus. only because of this on ship that was lost they wouldnt change their whole technology. shields and weapons: ok they changed their priority. but the warpcore structure? no i dont think so. something was definitely wrong with the guy how thought: meh, just 1 core? give the god damn ship 2 of them, no wait im in a good mood make it 4.

as i said i dont like the idea of multiple cores

[Selor Kiith]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 7:52 pm

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I don't think that section was shut down, just evacuated and operated by remote.

I was more referring to the Security Wall that came down and definitely cut trough the Warpcore

And Temporal Mechanics are very complexe... even one single event, no matter how small, could lead to major changes in the timeline.
It's like the old story of the butterfly and the storm... a simple wing flap of the Butterfly could cause a storm on the other side of the world...
But its mostly to complexe for the most people... to simply comprehend the possibilities that Time Travel and Events in the past can cause are often to high... not to say you can't... but it is more needed than just a sentence about it

[Lt.Cdr.White]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 7:57 pm

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What I find interesting is the fact that many many things that happened in TOS and the movies have their origin long before 2233.

So after all, Nomad, V'Ger, the whale probe ... all that would happen somehow, as all those things already existed.

I just wonder if mankind will survive it the same way this time or if perhaps noone will be there at the right point of time to save the day.

[Anonymous]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 8:03 pm

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that is exactly why kirk had to be restored to captain - even at the expense of Vulcan.

W/o kirk as captain of the enterprise no one would find khan, and no one would lose spock at mutara, so no one would go to find spock and seek refuge on vulcan (or its new replacement), so no one would be spared the probe. hence no one would go back for george and gracy and hence the earth would have been unable to escape from the probe. - if we stick by current continuity, Kirk's reprisal of the Captain's chair would be the central point to Earth's survival both in the Probe incident as well as the Vger incident.

hence the temporal police would be stumped if they tried to intervene at any of the focal points of the movie - whereby the alternate timeline would need to be accepted.

Not that one would give abrams and the script writers that much credit - it's just one of the advantages of the action packed "every scene is a pivotal scene" concept of the plot.
and of course sheer dumb luck that things fall in place so well with this new movie

pity lucas tried to go kiddie kiddie with his prequels, SW intrinsically always had more opportunities to be grittier and darker.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 8:12 pm

i agree with serpicus. only because of this on ship that was lost they wouldnt change their whole technology. shields and weapons: ok they changed their priority. but the warpcore structure? no i dont think so. something was definitely wrong with the guy how thought: meh, just 1 core? give the god damn ship 2 of them, no wait im in a good mood make it 4.

as i said i dont like the idea of multiple cores

please explain to me why a ship cannot have more than one core using any form of scientific logic? Infact it stupid if a ship only has one core because what does it have have as a back up, nothing? so in one sense voyager and all the other enterpise designs were flawed by nothing having more than one core...

its very common in modern day mechanics for ships and planes to have more than one engine powering 1-3 turbines, infact it stupid not too... How on earth would a boat the size of the Carriers today move without more than one engine to give it some push...

and again i would like to highly the famous and loved Prometheus to you wish had three parts capable of warp meanign it had atleast three cores...

so why on earth can a ship not have more than one?

if anyone is at fault here it is you and not the designers for having a closed mind and not understanding how current ships work...

[Anonymous]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 8:40 pm

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it isnt a question of having more than one core from a scientific standpoint. it is more a deviation from what is established.
As you said, the prime universe ships including voyager, enterprise D, and ncc 1701 had one core. So it is weird to see the same era's ship now having multiple cores by virtue of nothing.

it's not engineering here, it's more a disruption of established engineering standards - a disruption caused by nothing.

But I wouldnt knitpick on why the enterprise had 4 cores. We can simply state that the incident with the kelvin prompted starfleet to redesign its ships.

this would account for the chevy look of the new enterprise, and the shift of its place of construction from San Francisco to the Riverside yards of Iowa.

So everything in the movie regardless of how different is due to the timeline disruption... (except uhura asking for cardassian Sunrises, unless we want to assume Sfleet learnt of this drink from a bartender who learnt it from the cardassians but kept the source obscure)

We all agree now

posted on May 11th, 2009, 8:52 pm

Ok I just saw the movie again, and...I hope this doesn't rune everything ... sure enough Scotty says Core, singular, only one, but six, not four, six small cylinders that resemble the seismic charges from SW Episode 2.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 8:52 pm

So everything in the movie regardless of how different is due to the timeline disruption... (except uhura asking for cardassian Sunrises, unless we want to assume Sfleet learnt of this drink from a bartender who learnt it from the cardassians but kept the source obscure)

We all agree now

Thats Temporal mechanics
Yeah I too think it was just some merchant that bought a load of that drink and just has been told that this is called "Cardassian Sunrise" without actually knowing what "Cardassian" mean ^^

[Lt.Cdr.White]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 9:01 pm

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Just as Romulan ale was available in the Federation although they kept hiding.

You do not necessarily need to have been there or even know the producer to know a product.

It's like buying Chinese silk from Arabians without ever having visited China.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 9:09 pm

maybe cardassian is a word that means something in english in the future.