ST XI *SPOILER WARNING*

posted on May 10th, 2009, 8:32 am

so i think its better to have a section where we can talk about the new movie without writing something about spoilers all the time. correct me if im wrong but its better for those who dont wont to know sth befor watching it by themselfs.

i was in star trek 11 yesterday with 3 friend and we all liked it. 2 of us dont know that much about star trek but enjoyed it. and the other 2 are "trekkies"^^. and i have to say i (!) think it was a really good movie. but there were a few things i didnt get so maybe you can help me with that.

1) it was another timeline but in the "real" timeline somthing happend that i was shocked about. the destruction of romulus... . and i asked myself hmm the romulans were kinda advanced why havent they realized in time that there sun will go supernova? because that dont happens over night right?

2) they activated the shield...but i havent seen them...

3) in the end of the movie when they tried to escape from the black whole they ejected there core (while they were at warp) and them 3 objects came out of the hull. why 3?

posted on May 10th, 2009, 10:54 am

Yeasterday I was in Star Trek 11 too. The movie is good but it is more like Star Wars then Star Trek. A few thinks are a little bit confused and paradox.

Ok, Drone .... here what i think:
1) I don't now .... maybe they hope for help from Spok and do not evacuate Romulus.

2) Do you mean the bomardment from the romulan ship? The weapons are to heavy because the from the future.

3) perhaps they think it looks better ....

But i think Spok's mom died when he was born. 

posted on May 10th, 2009, 12:33 pm

There is no need for a subsection when its easy to stick (spolier) at the beginning of the top not at the end as it doesnt appear on the hompage then and two it will only been spoke about for a short time and three so far there are only two topics on it and you could have continued this in one of those so i suggest a thread merge here optec with this thread...

Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - fleet ops and star trek xi story (spoliers from the movie so be warned)

now on to your points as best i can answer them...

1) They probably did detect it going Supernova and tried their own ways to stop it, as romulus has a population over 8 billion that is no quick evacuation. They also probably did begin evacuations, remember we only saw a glimpse of what Spock was doing not the planet... Remember Nero was angry at him for failing his promise and the federation because they sent no ships to help with the evacuation...

2) the sheilds in this one are just like the ones on Star Trek Enterprise, so more a polarisation of the hull, much like they added special point defence weapons for defending the ship rather than the sheilds just taking everything, i beleive as time goes on and the ships get more advanced, maybe the Ent - B will have actual sheilds...

3) Your remember Scotty says "I could eject the warp CORES, not core and the explosion may push us away. as JJ Abrams was going for a more earthly look to the ships and trying to make them have similarities with current planes/boats that have more than one engine powering and pushing the big hunk of metal that is why you saw more than one core. In one of the scenes when you see the engineering room you actually see it has more than one dillithium chamber.

posted on May 10th, 2009, 4:53 pm

really he said CORES? i could swear he said CORE...

posted on May 10th, 2009, 5:15 pm

defo said cores cuz it struck me as he said it... i was like "what do you mean cores" and then i saw them eject

posted on May 10th, 2009, 5:46 pm

ok but then it absolutly make no sense why they have 3 cores

posted on May 10th, 2009, 6:13 pm

not really, current ships have multiple engines creating the power that pushes one or more turbines...

so it makes plenty of logical sense to me...

posted on May 10th, 2009, 6:59 pm

Actually, canon ships have two cores, so it's not that far off.  Regardless, it makes more sense to have multiple cores active.  Redundancy.

Movie was awesome.  I have decided not to nitpick it to death like some people undoubtedly will and embrace this all-around good movie that is already breathing new life into a tired franchise.

posted on May 10th, 2009, 8:27 pm

Movie was awesome.  I have decided not to nitpick it to death like some people undoubtedly will and embrace this all-around good movie that is already breathing new life into a tired franchise.

Movie was awesome.

I wish I could say that. I really do... And I'm not usually a harsh critic, I like to enjoy stuff as it is (e.g. Crank = Awesome). I can take strange readjustments, additions, new designs, anything - but most of it was just bad

ok but then it absolutly make no sense why they have 3 cores

Six?   Like I said, I don't mind - it makes sense even as one of the many things that just weren't explained at all.

posted on May 10th, 2009, 8:44 pm

Meh, I'm really not too bothered by a lot of the technology changes and apparent plot holes.

Regarding the issue with shields, I could never understand the purpose of most ships in Star Trek having shields, since Kirk and Picard always seemed to suffer crew casualties even before their Enterprises' shields were taken down in battle. Certainly plenty of hull damage was done while deflector shields were supposedly "holding" in the shows and movies.

Regarding the issue with transporters, we saw advanced alien transporters beam around the TNG crew in more than one episode. It's not unthinkable that an event like the loss of the U.S.S. Kelvin (which very well could have been the newest and most badass ship in the fleet, for all we know), especially considering the evacuation process that meant the ship had to sacrifice itself to buy time, could have prompted Starfleet to step up their research into transporter technology.

Regarding the issue with warp cores, I really don't see a huge inconsistency. Different ships have different engine designs. I didn't think the Engineering set was great, but that's something I don't feel the need to nitpick too heavily.

[Anonymous]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 12:52 am

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fantastic movie. loved every minute of it.

one point of concern is a romulan mining ship that is in of itself so powerful. rather queer there... i would have preferred a simple norexan or maybe D'deridex or maybe Tavara :D
according to memory-alpha apocrypha it is retrofitted with borg tech.
from this memory alpha quote:
    In the prequel comic book miniseries Star Trek: Countdown, the Narada's advanced weaponry and appearance are explained as being the result of the ship being retrofitted with salvaged Borg technology, which allows the ship to grow and repair itself.

even if they do try to bring the borg into kirk's era, I hope they DO NOT reference the V'ger incident.... I look upon the borg as uniquely evolved with their origin maybe lying in an attempt by a disgruntled weapons researcher to bring order to an otherwise chaotic world of feudal lords (akin to the dune series houses) and it is she who establishes the collective with her new invention.... at the price of her lover who dies in the strife... making her yearn for a host ( a counterpart in whose mind her mate's memories can be imprinted) to fulfill the role by willingly giving himself to the borg....
the clone in the voyager series who was not Alice krieg was a face she liked which she put on on a whim - assimilated from that species they referenced (Like lady langwidere of the Oz series).

anywho... love the new movie.... just sad to see that Romulus has no future....
would also be interesting to know of the cause of the supernova, that almost consumed the galaxy... was it a Q war thing? or sth else.

I see many plot summaries online referencing romulus' star going supernova. It is not referenced by Spock as such. He mentions a supernova starting and it eventually engulfing romulus.... maybe it was like the solar flares of the Starflight series? who knows?

but in all a fab movie.

I was expecting it to be another revamp like the batman remakes. But this one blew me away - actually outdoing the original series itself IMO.

Cant wait for the sequel 

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:18 am

Ok, I just saw it today...Its amazing!! The ships were amazing, the explosions, the weapons, - the phaser all that.  I did think the "kill off the real crew so now we have the cadets leading everything" plot line is over used, but it was implemented well.

Ill start by answering, then ask my own questions

(1)  I think that was the big deal, was that it was sudden.  It would make a good movie explaining that it was on purpose or something, but for now it is ok.

(2)  For me it seemed like the torpedoes/missiles were so advanced the went through the shields and hit the hull.

(3)  I agree with red.  Also it looked like they ejected the dilithium matrixes not the cor, but they did say cores.


My question is did anyone else notice that the "Romulan ship" changes sizes?
Comparison: Vulcan one man ship, looks bigger than the Kelvin when ramming.  the Enterprise looks very large when near the the ship, but looks small compared to Extremely large shuttle bay.

Ok, now again assuming the size of the romulan ship stays the same, the Kelvin is too small.  "Your father saved over 800 lives..." and the Enterprise should have around 400 crew, therefore be half the size, so how come the Kelvin looked so small when ramming the ship?  Also I don't think the "Romulan" looked Romulan at all.

These are only my opinion, and despite all this It is one of the Best of the Star trek movies.

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:23 am

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I thought the Enterprise had over 1000 crew? 

I should mention that the Kelvin had at least 37 shuttles because Medical Shuttle 37 was the one on which Kirk's wife escaped: thus it could be possible that at least 400, and maybe even more people were evacuated from the Kelvin then....

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:25 am

I thought the Enterprise had over 1000 crew? 

Enterprise D had over 1000 crew 

[Anonymous]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:26 am

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i agree about the cadets thingy... but there was no information to go one way or the other, so u have to accept it as part of the story.

the missiles were a bit strange.... mining freighter that is suddenly wrapped up in a cataclysm is equipped with borg tech?

3. maybe as cadets they're still confused by nomenclature.


as regards your question - i saw it in poor print. im going to the theater next week, so that kind of detail is lost in the bad print quality

the kelvin was a small ship. im not so sure how such a small ship carried about the same amount of crew as a Galaxy class 
IMO it should not have more than 120