ST XI *SPOILER WARNING*

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:31 am

The Borg tech thing was from a comic about the upcoming movie ... so...

Just checked on Memory Alpha and it says the Enterprise in this movie had 1100 crew.
Technology might have been changed so much as to need even more crew to operate things... who knows 

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:35 am

no no.. i know it was from a comic thingy

but im afraid that they will use sth like that to explain the size differences, as well as the weird techy appearance of a mere mining freighter. from the romulan style of building - d'deridex, norexan etc.. the rommies like sleek designs. a minng freighter that is oversized, full of weird pointy nodes, and armed to the teeth is something they need to explain... as well as how mere miners have scientific know how to operate and use red matter weapons.

i fear the borg link is going to come in, in the next movie... and seeing that explanations of Borg origins have dealt with V'gers time travel makes me concerned that my beloved apogees of perfection are going to be demeaned as being entrails of human technological timetravel.... not original or independent developments, but owing their existence to man!!

that will spoil it for the borg and me

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:41 am

Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on May 11th, 2009, 1:45 am, edited 1 time in total.

Yes, I was wondering the same thing really. 
How I explain it to myself is that it is "just" a miner. Notice no disrupters or any other weapon other than torpedoes, it is vast empty space inside (perhaps all those weird spikes and hooks on the exterior are to latch onto planetoids to use the mining beam etc) and is very utilitarian. The only reason I see that it was so powerful was because it was from the future. Otherwise its "fire-everything" barrage of around 20 or so torpedoes would do jack-diddly against TNG or later era ships... or so I convince myself

The knowledge to use the red matter I assume was stolen right out of Spock's ship (perhaps even the knowledge might have been obtained by the Romulans previously... and somehow escaped the confines of the Tal Shiar... who knows  )

posted on May 11th, 2009, 1:48 am

I just hope they retain that idea and let the borg lie. with this new origins of everything principle, i just get a gut feeling that they are planning to venture into borg origins....

uhura's name, kirk's birth, spock's childhood, bones' marriage, scotty's engineering stunt with Archer's beagle all point to Abrams' propensity for "origins' details"... lol..

if he does venture into borg territory he better get his story straight .

or else

posted on May 11th, 2009, 2:01 am

Woa, wate where did they say it has 1100 crew?!?  That is way too much.  You can see by the size of the shuttles coming out of the bay in the movie.  It is not possible.  Not to mention the size of the bay it self.  It doesn't leave room, and there is no way the saucer is bigger than the galaxy's.  Just look an the windows

Also, this doesn't mean the kelvin had more than 800 on board.  He just saved that much.  another thing i'm not sure about

posted on May 11th, 2009, 2:04 am

ok back up. if ht ekelvin didnt have 800 on board and ure saying he just saved that much. From where did those extra non-Kelvin crew members spawn??

posted on May 11th, 2009, 2:08 am

I, don't know...   Maybe hes counting all people that were effected by Kirk Sr.'s actions.  I still cant believe the ship is that big.

[Anonymous]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 2:14 am

Last edited by Anonymous on May 11th, 2009, 2:22 am, edited 1 time in total.

lol 

i agree with you that the ship is not at all that big. imagine a constellation that is smaller than the excelsior having 100 more crew than the galaxy 

alternate universe or not, the ship was still too small to accommodate all those people.

but.. no point knitpicking on crew or Uhura's bar request for CArdassian sunsets 100 years before the feds even met the CArdies....

the movie was fun, and it is still an alternate reality not the prime universe...
hope the sequel is just as entertaining if not better

but they better get the borg - if ever touched - straight or im gonna freak! 

posted on May 11th, 2009, 2:57 am

If anything, I think they might drop the idea of the Queen. It just doesn't fit the more "noir" aspects of this universe imo (she puts a face on the "ultimate evil"... which makes the Borg so much less bad-ass)

posted on May 11th, 2009, 3:21 am

but.. no point knitpicking on crew or Uhura's bar request for CArdassian sunsets 100 years before the feds even met the CArdies....

lol  I just remembered that.  That was just wrong. *facepalm*

posted on May 11th, 2009, 4:20 am

If anything, I think they might drop the idea of the Queen. It just doesn't fit the more "noir" aspects of this universe imo (she puts a face on the "ultimate evil"... which makes the Borg so much less bad-ass)

Never liked the Borg Queen. Why does an advanced hive mind need a queen? In the insect kingdom, the primary biological function of the queen is controlled reproduction; since the Borg are basically cybernetic zombies, that's not an issue. So, why the Borg Queen? 

posted on May 11th, 2009, 6:30 am

She started it all and is still the boss?

posted on May 11th, 2009, 6:35 am

If anything, I think they might drop the idea of the Queen. It just doesn't fit the more "noir" aspects of this universe imo (she puts a face on the "ultimate evil"... which makes the Borg so much less bad-ass)

Tell that to First Contact.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 6:53 am

To explain the crew sizes the older ships like the Enterprise A and other older ships had HUGE crews because of technology and as we see, in the older ships each living quarters was for 8 to even more people while on the Galaxy class starship the officers had almost a house for their quarters.  Technology advanced so they needed less people for starships because of automation and size went up because of the other technologies needed like improved warp cores, more advanced phasers, improved shielding technology, people as we see in the movie were crammed all over the place while on the newer ships people are sparse...  Thats just my two cents. : )

[Drone]

posted on May 11th, 2009, 8:25 am

Last edited by Drone on May 11th, 2009, 9:30 am, edited 1 time in total.

Actually, canon ships have two cores, so it's not that far off.  Regardless, it makes more sense to have multiple cores active.  Redundancy.

what  ship have 2 cores?

ok in the movie they eject 4 cores. and i was so confused because in the german version scotty says : wenn wir den KERN abstoßen (when we eject the CORE)

i dont like the idea to suddenly have multiple cores