Ship Inconsistencies

posted on January 18th, 2005, 5:28 pm

The Negh'var is not weak, dude. It's the beast king! The D'deridex is weak, for it's nothing but a waste of space. It's just made to look big so that cowards would run away. The Defiant, however, is hell on wheels. It's very powerful, very maneuverable, and tough to the core.

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posted on January 18th, 2005, 8:31 pm

You Negh'var has many flaws, most of which attributed for it being rushed out of the yards. One is it relies too heavily on bulky disruptors that arn't even ment for ship to ship fighting.

The D'deridex does have alot of extra space ment for cargo, shuttles, and so forth, much of that was ment to make it look evil. It is still a force to be reckoned with, one can seriously damage if not destroy a Negh'var. A defiant has little chance against either a Negh'var or a D'deridex, seeing as how it has 3 torpedo launchers and 4 pulse phasers. I'm glad we've gotten this straightened out.

posted on January 19th, 2005, 2:56 am

Impossible! Klingons have extreme standards if you understand their love of fighting and combat as well as their expectations of war. Here's another ship that y'all should think about. It's the Keldon. Sure, it's the upgrade of the small, yet legendary Galor, but it still packs a powerful punch.

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posted on January 19th, 2005, 4:41 am

the defiant isn't all that powerful, and the class itself has a tendancy to take alot of damage and then explode, not my favorited idea of a coffin, the defiant is ceartainly not a warship, warships have guns that point in more than one direction

Fullphaser hit it right on the head. The Defiant is an ESCORT ship, designed to hold off spheres until the cav arrives (in the form of a squadron of akiras and steamrunners). It's designed to blow the sh*t out of something in one burst and then run the %@#$% away. The PPCs are wickedly powerful against unshielded targets, like the Borg, or the really weak kling ships like the D7 or the dominion bug but not so great against anything else.

And yeah the phalanx is based off of a noncanon art design by Dak Phoenix or something (don't remember the name too well). I'm sure Doca or Optec would love to fill you guys in on it

posted on January 19th, 2005, 4:44 am

Keldon? Hahaha right the Galor was never meant to be anything more than a cruiser, something like an Akira minus the awesome torpedo complement. So they increased the shield capacity a little and call it a battleship? Hahaha a single Akira with some help (say an Intrepid or a Steamrunner) would blow a keldon into itty bitty pieces.

posted on January 19th, 2005, 12:41 pm

Keldons are a pretty sad ship compared to some federation ships. Especially since they've been told after dom war that they can't upgrade weapons. Like 1 gal can take out 3 galors now.

posted on January 19th, 2005, 1:15 pm

sawnds like ww2 with japn and germany. thares all wase some link to histary.

posted on January 19th, 2005, 2:33 pm

Don't forget that the Federation and the Cardassians would have gone into negotiations to fix that problem by creating a new treaty. Also, some "Cardies" would bring in contraband to upgrade their ships anyways.

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posted on January 19th, 2005, 4:17 pm

Well see they were already fairly inferior because the cardies don't have all the races packed into one like the federation, or have been a major power as long as the federation, romulans or klingons. Although they could get stuff thru the feringi, they wouldnt be able to do much without one of the other powers knowing.

posted on January 19th, 2005, 4:47 pm

Or they could work with some race the Feds never found, on the other side of Card space. This could give them a distictive advanige.

posted on January 19th, 2005, 10:14 pm

what were we arguing about the inconsitancy of? anyway as for the keldon I am sorry but the keldon and the Warbird both showed thier inability to deal with small targets when they attacked the founder homeworld

posted on January 19th, 2005, 10:42 pm

Or maybe 150 BIGSHIPS was the problem maybe. Obviously that many enemies WILL screw up your weekend. Cardies are weak and thats the end of it.

posted on January 20th, 2005, 1:03 am

either that or horrible battle tactics, even when they knew the swarm was coming it seems that the cardi/tal shiar fleet did nothing I would have had those ships moving and using there weapons not standing still and trying to essintially flac the enemy down

posted on January 20th, 2005, 1:50 am

Or maybe 150 BIGSHIPS was the problem maybe. Obviously that many enemies WILL screw up your weekend. Cardies are weak and thats the end of it.

Not too much to add to that. I think a comparable Fed fleet would have gotten wasted too. I'm surprised the Rommies didn't cloak up and run, seems like something they'd do.

posted on January 20th, 2005, 2:04 am

does anyone know how many ships were involved anyway was it 30 or something? like 15 warbirds and 15 keldons, as for the whole wiping out dominioin bugs, I think that at the time you are right a fed fleet would have been wasted to it only was what a 3 to 1 ratio at the time to wipe out the most powerful ship in the fed arsneal out (U.S.S. Odessy)