Ship Inconsistencies

posted on January 20th, 2005, 5:44 am

What if the Borg were involved with the Jem'hadar bugs? Now that would be awesome. Also, the "Cardies" you talk about were the Obsidian Order, not the regular Cardassian fleet.

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posted on January 20th, 2005, 8:17 pm

Cardies are Cardies, all your talking about is the level of training they recieve.

posted on January 21st, 2005, 5:43 am

Not unless Enabran Tain were here. I assure you, if you said anything like that to him, you'd be in the morgue after Elim Garak would come and "take care of" you. Hmm.

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[Anonymous]

posted on January 21st, 2005, 5:44 am

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I say that even if they hated each other. Also, this post is modified from an accidental double post.

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posted on January 21st, 2005, 11:49 pm

hey, donald1 thanks for defending my flag ship. Little does romieboy now is that i have come to see Ditl.org as a bunch of unmittigated sh*t. I have seen and own all 7 seasons of DS9 and i have about 36-58 episodes of TNG that include the romulan flying turd know as the dederix or what ever...
the point of the matter is dederix is no mach for a neghvar, the real neghvar has,
starbase grade shields,
20-33 mark 14 disprutor banks (the same on the main emmiter on the vorcha)
4f/and4A/ torpedoe tubes capable of loading 8 torpedoes each
2 Mark 18 disruptors ill call siege disruptors.
manuverability equal to a galaxy class and the speed of warp 9.6.

posted on January 22nd, 2005, 4:00 pm

Oh please, it's unmanuverable and so is the galaxy. Nearly all of it's weapon arcs are forward. It doesn't have anywhere near that many weapons. It's only got 20 disruptors total, 18 of which can fire on ships. 8 torpedo launchers capable of 3 torpedos each since the Klingons didn't use anything other then standard single and 3 torpedo burst fire launchers in dominion war.

A D'deridex has 6 of the most powerful disruptors and 12 tubes each capable of 8 plasma torpedos, a more powerful shield system, and an equally armored hull as the Negh'var. Whats funny is thats not even the best Romulan ship, which we are trying to compare to the klingons.

A Norexan is even more powerful and a hellofa lot more manuverable. It's got 12 of the same disruptors as the D'deridex, 6 plasma torpedo tubes even more powerful then the D'deridexs. A shield system 1 1/2 as powerful as the Negh'vars. Same Armor, manuverability 5 times that of a Negh'var.

I thank you for your time

posted on January 22nd, 2005, 11:32 pm

You know what this sounds like?

A: My fave ship can beat the crap out of your fave ship!
B: No, it can't! Mine has more torpedoes!
A: But mine's got twice as many disruptors!
B: Does not!
A: Does too!
B: Well, mine's got better shields! And looks cooler too!
A: Well my dad can beat up your dad!

...
Just kidding, folks.

[Fullphaser]

posted on January 23rd, 2005, 1:10 am

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I agree, this is a rather foolish arguement, and you know what that means I have to throw my to sence in, I will admit I have never been the biggest fan of the klingon fleet or any of its designs but when it comes to the Neg Var I will stand up for her, espessially against 20 year old desings like the warbird, (we'll get to the Norexan in a sec as I have no appreciation for the oversized b'rel) I will remind all that the warbird is a rather old design being around sence the dawn of the the galaxy class, where as the Neg Var is somewhat newer (somewhat) as for those two "useless" disrupters the Neg Var carries under sling in a fight with a ship like the Derdrix I think that would become a factor, the Derdrix is a VERY large ship and has limited manuverablity and combat speed as. This is best demontrated by the fact that in all battles they are more rolling tanks than anything manuverable... also the disruptors on the Neg Var and the Derdrix main weapons are on an equal level, as for shields the Derdrix has notoriously weak shielding as the ship was designed for a quick and decisive strike rather than a long winded battle, this is probably the reason that the Norexan were on no level par with the Scimitar but rather quite easily wiped out. Also another fact of the Norexan it carries no Extremly heavy disrupters, only numerous light and medium disrupters, and some torpedoes of romulan design which previously had been very slow. The Norexan's shielding was penetrated as was the hull after only minutes of fighting with the Reman Warbird (which is not to say anything bad as the Reman Warbird is in a class all its own) But I would hand the Title to the Neg Var a custom built flagship versus run of the mill warbirds anyday

Regards
Fullphaser

P.S. Don't call Preator Defiant little Rommie Boy that on some level is flaming

posted on January 23rd, 2005, 2:24 am

Yaso, either give something positive to this thread or don't say anything because it's just empty spamming.

The Negh'var actually began construction before the first D'deridex but was held up due to delays, lack of funding, and alot of skirmishes with other races which made the empire focus on the Vor'cha.

Well all I can do is repeat myself. The D'deridex has slightly more shielding, powerful guns, the same armored hull, and the same manuverability as the Negh'var. The Norexan has 1 1/2 more shielding, even more powerful guns, slightly less armor but pretty much the same as the Negh'var, and much, much more manuverability.

[Anonymous]

posted on January 23rd, 2005, 5:36 am

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If that's the case, then the Klingons should have something better that the Negh'var, and they do not have something more powerful. Knowing their battle readiness against extraneous odds, the Negh'var would have to still be more powerful.

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[Anonymous]

posted on January 23rd, 2005, 5:37 am

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D@mn it! Not again!!!

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posted on January 23rd, 2005, 5:52 am

lol browser hate you donald? lol
Preator, once again i ask you for some back up proof, you know links, couse Phaser and Korang have got some relay good points there. lol i my slef dont much care, more of a fed or vulcan guy my slef. But i am more willing to believe that the klins have the power, it fits there proffile.

posted on January 23rd, 2005, 3:34 pm

damn straight people. Im one of those people that is: either kill me or i will win im that stubborn. And praetor, i respect you we both hold seats of power, but the f***ing neghvar has 360 degree firing arc because each disruptor is turret mounted though you can't tell and because of the deredix's size ther siege cannons would have no trouble hiting it...
and thank YOU!!!!! for your time
P>S> i still think your cool praetor, but just quit, you wont win even if you are correct i am to damn stubborn to give in, its nothing personal, i have a lot of love for this ship and i would take it into battle any day of the week against overwhelming odds. Id fight to the last man and weapon, than ram it up the enemies ass like a klingon enema and awake in stovkor as a hero...

posted on January 23rd, 2005, 3:56 pm

let me apologize, praetor remeber what you said about the ships speed/power or something like that.

its un-klingon but i feel the need to, however do not take this as a sign of weakness we fought gallantly in the dominion war when you were afraid to count your dead. though i grant you you did aid but long after the war had started and klingonm and human blood had been spilled. history is the only meadeator we need...

posted on January 23rd, 2005, 5:40 pm

Well I don't know what your talking about, i'm a 17 year old in a internet forum and don't recall ever actually being a Romulan in the Dominion war.

You shouldn't expect to change my mind. I AM the most stubborn SoB on this forum, I actually got DEFIANT in my name. I know you like your ship but I am the freakin Preator so I have to have the best, and I have to defend that or else lose face

I never said the Negh'var didn't have any rear firing guns I just said most are mounted forward and aim forward. Those "siege cannons" appear to be ment for attacks on stations or planets and have very narrow arcs for ship to ship combat, even with the D'deridexs size, you can simply cloak before those come into arc.

Most of what i've told you i've learned from the shows, mostly DS9 and TNG. The rest I pick up from various games and internet sources like DITL and ex asteria scientia or however thats spelled.

To answer donald, the Klingons favor swarm attacks with smaller ships to just 1 vs 1 large ship battles, thats why they don't have a ship to match the Federations and the Star Empires best. The Negh'var can hold it's own but it just can't stand up to slightly newer and more powerful ships.