Ship Inconsistencies

posted on December 22nd, 2004, 4:54 am

If you look around ex astris scientia and dtil the consensus is burst firing tubes were introduced on the galaxy class. These were capable of firing 10 photon torpedos in around 5 seconds, then reload times of 20 to 30 seconds. There were modifications and upgrades, until the burst type 4 was developed for the Defiant, capable of firing 12 quantum torpedos in 5 or 6 seconds with a 20-30 second reload. The Enterprise-E has four of these advanced launchers, which apparently have magazines filled with photon torpedos instead of quantum.

We all remember the rapid-fire quantum turret from Nemesis, which can fire a ridiculous number 30+ ? at a rate of 4 per second. This is only mounted on a Sovereign hull so far.

I think some are confusing pulse-fire tubes with burst fire tubes. Pulse fire tubes crank one photon or quantum torpedo per second or per two seconds depending on type, and continue to fire until their magazine is expended.

Of course small ships like the Intrepid are still armed with standard tubes, which have lengthy reload cycles (10 seconds or more per photon torpedo).

Hope this all makes sense.

posted on December 22nd, 2004, 6:08 am

Burst tubes were introduced on the Ambassadore class, I know that for a fact.

The tubes your talking about are newer and fire more torpedos faster. As far as I know the Defiant class has pulse firing tubes that fire 1 torpedo like every 2 seconds like you said.

posted on December 22nd, 2004, 6:05 pm

you are talking about the same movie as far as inconsitinses are concerned where the enterprise e can grow to 29 decks, and has a hole in the jefferies tube of that deck that apparently goes down oh... about hmmm 10 more, so I wouldn't be to concerned with the rate of fire of those tubes. Now as to how long they have been around probably sence the Ambassodor class, but the one on the Sovie are inventions straight from the Dominion war where speed and straifing would have been a key feature and speed is key, Explaining why they would run out so quickly, (only like 30 minutes into the fight and they were out of Torps) as to why they weren't used in Inssurection. Lets think about riker for a bit. He is the same moron who let the Federation flagship be destroyed becuase he forgot to rotate shield modulation on some kind of random pattern A problem he seems to have alot of the time espesially when the ship is in any major danger. I haven't seen enough of the late ds9 episodes to really notice the rapid burst torpedoes

posted on December 22nd, 2004, 6:42 pm

The Defiant class never got them so there were no burst tubes to notice on most of the episodes. I never got a chance to see the actual dominion war episodes before the show started comming on at 1 PM which is retarded as no one is there to watch anything like that on a weekday.

posted on December 23rd, 2004, 12:26 am

well i do have all the seasons of DS9, the photons in the episodes of the end don't fire rapid fire, hell they look like the torpedoes from nemesis.

posted on December 23rd, 2004, 2:52 am

Well alot of the ships used in the dom war didn't have rapid fire tubes like the Excelsior, Miranda, Yeager, Defiant, and some others.

posted on December 26th, 2004, 3:05 pm

Basically i would like to klingon bird of prey that i kept cloaked over my house and that i could use at my will.

posted on December 27th, 2004, 2:09 am

Eventually something would hit it like birds and aircraft in one form or another. NTSB or whatever thats called would eventually get the idea somethings physically blocking aircraft up above your block.

posted on December 28th, 2004, 1:20 pm

in DS9, the federation was strained in equipment so i don't think they would use rapid fire torps. or they would be out of them in secons

posted on December 29th, 2004, 1:29 am

That could have been the problem.

posted on December 29th, 2004, 3:41 pm

Heh that's what you get in a society without money. No incentive to increase production when it really counts. No overtime, no working three shifts ... no wonder. Heh they probably had to take their mandated six weeks of vacation right around the retreat from Chintoka. Now it all makes sense.

posted on December 29th, 2004, 5:14 pm

Communism at it's finest.

posted on December 29th, 2004, 6:15 pm

but with the fernegie it would be all sub stabndard mercandise and they wouldent work.

posted on December 31st, 2004, 2:33 pm

though picard says they dont rely on money its a load of crap. Every single officer on ds9 uses gold pressed latinum when playing tongo or dabo, so they must get paid in it or do they arbitrarily just find it on the floor of the promenade?

posted on December 31st, 2004, 2:40 pm

okay another inconsistencie, the soverign always had quantum torpedos, why in insurrection and in the initial exchange with the scimitar did they use photon torpedos? Quantum are 4x as strong! I mean if i was riker i would have wipped around and just unloaded the quantum magazine in the sona's ugly stretched face.

and now to phasers, why do they suddenly use what i call short burst phasers? i mean a constant beam would do more damage no? and if the pulse phasers are so strong why are they not eqquiped on the prometheus, steamrunner, akira, saber, and all those other advanced combat intended cruisers? I mean they deal damage to a ships hull through the shields, it says so on like Ditl.org i think, anyways i remeber reading about it some where.