Saber or Sabre?

[navyguy]

posted on January 8th, 2010, 3:37 am

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To say StarFleet isnt Americian, is to say tea isnt British. When StarFleet is based  in California, again is to say that berlin isnt German in origin. To some extent how can that not be take as an Americian. Watching  Enterprise one got the feeling that was in California no? and because you have ships named  after  different events or places in history, how does that not make them part of the fleet. The Navy has some ships that are named after a foriegn place , there still ships of the U.S. NAVY,  I GUESS IAM NOT FOLLOWING SOME OF THE LOGIC HERE. What about First Contact where all of it statred , wasnt that in Montana.

posted on January 8th, 2010, 4:38 am

Tea isn't British: the plant comes from South East Asia! Earliest archaeological evidence places cultivated tea at several thousand years ago in CHINA

The United States had ceased to exist by the time of First Contact mate - WWIII had already happened.

posted on January 8th, 2010, 4:43 am

Star Trek was created for an American audience, therefor, while Starfleet has people from all over the Earth, and other planets, there is going to be a lot of English and American cities as ship names and classes in Starfleet. That's why they chose California and Montana; they would be easily recognizable to the target audience. After all, how many people here have heard of Nanjing? Probably not many, even though it's the tenth largest city in China.

posted on January 8th, 2010, 4:58 am

I drink tea, does that mean I'm British, too?  That's awesome!   I'm an honorary citizen of the United Kingdom!   I'm stopping by Unleashed Mayhem's place later for a pint!

I love America, I love my country, but Star Trek has always been about all of us getting along, holding hands, and singing Kumbaya.  It's basically the opposite of what we see in this thread.

It's also why I love B5 so much.  Tons of countries represented, and a lot of them spoke English with the accents from where they came from, not just American English.  There were some pretty thick Russian accents in particular, and all of them added flavor and color to the show.  You really felt that that's how the future would be.  So there's my rant.  I'm off for some tea.

Spot on, Cabal.

posted on January 8th, 2010, 5:09 am

hmm i dont drink coffee does that make me Un-American (i would sure hope not)

[Atlantisbase]

posted on January 8th, 2010, 5:19 am

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hmm i dont drink coffee does that make me Un-American (i would sure hope not)

No, just smart. I have sworn to never drink a drop of coffee in my life, and certainly never to stay awake. Besides, it never has a very appealing smell. 

The United States had ceased to exist by the time of First Contact mate - WWIII had already happened.

Us and every other nation. I always wanted to know who fired first.

posted on January 8th, 2010, 5:21 am

hmm i dont drink coffee does that make me Un-American (i would sure hope not)

But...but...if that's true, then does that mean I'm not British just because I have a cup of tea?  But what about my honorary citizenship?   What about my pint with Unleashed?

posted on January 8th, 2010, 5:25 am

Ummm....well, no one's stopping you.

[navyguy]

posted on January 8th, 2010, 5:42 am

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Well we all have are views myself being long time navy find it hard to, well think any other way. Tea may have very well come from China but the British sure did make it there # one drink. The one thing i keep thinking about is , H.M.S. VICTORY, commanded by lord NELSON, VERY British, yes just as Star Fleet is very Americian to start out at first, meaning her origins are Americian. Star Fleet was based in California, if you look on the wall of the Enterprise the Galaxy class, is shows the Nimtz Class carrier C.V.N.- 65 , so all iam trying to say is, Star Fleet to me is an Americian based group, at first. To the U.S. NAVY, with out a doubt the finest, the strongest, with out her, the sea lanes would not be safe. Nothing moves with out her permission.

[Anonymous]

posted on January 8th, 2010, 10:30 am

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I'm waiting Mal, I'd love a pint with you

Btw it's Unleashed

posted on January 8th, 2010, 12:35 pm

Navyguy, are you saying that Starfleet is American because of the Enterprise?  Because the British had it too.  Actually, checking Wikipedia, they had 15 in their navy at various times, and the American navy only had 6.

posted on January 8th, 2010, 2:38 pm

I drink tea, does that mean I'm British, too?  That's awesome!   I'm an honorary citizen of the United Kingdom!   I'm stopping by Unleashed Mayhem's place later for a pint!

welcome to the club 

now would you like some free benefits

right now you're probably better off in america, britainland is buried under snow atm, and we dont have mr plow to get us out. we get snow so rarely when we do its a big thing

starfleet was chartered after archers birth, only a few years before enterprise was launched, this means WWIII had long been fought and that all of earth had been united under one government. meaning starfleet could only be described as an earth thing not american.

today we can't call the United Nations american because its headquarters are geographically located in america. its global (nearly).

posted on January 8th, 2010, 2:43 pm

Mal lives in Iowa and trust me we are buried as well plus the fact thats its 2 degrees here and wind chills are from -15 to -25

posted on January 8th, 2010, 2:47 pm

i assume iowa gets snow just as rarely as englandland then

seems like every1 is taking the pain this time 

[Tyler]

posted on January 8th, 2010, 2:51 pm

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just as Star Fleet is very Americian to start out at first, meaning her origins are Americian.

America was long gone before even the Earth Starfleet was formed, let alone the Federation one...

Navyguy, are you saying that Starfleet is American because of the Enterprise?  Because the British had it too.  Actually, checking Wikipedia, they had 15 in their navy at various times, and the American navy only had 6.

Check m-w.com, Enterprise has an actual meaning that doesn't relate to vessel. Both Starfleet and real-life Enterprise's probably got their name from the dictionary definition.

The French also had an Enterprise, a frigate L'Entreprise.

HMS Enterprise - 15 British ships, more than America had...
Enterprise - Read meaning 2 and tell me that isn't something Starfleet would use as the origin for  ships name...