Saber or Sabre?

posted on January 16th, 2010, 3:31 am

You have to remember that this is an American show.  Therefore it makes more sense for them to use "USS" than "HMS" or some other abbreviation.  As other people said, it no longer stands for "United States Ship", so I think that proves it isn't American.

Let me ask you this: if Starfleet Command was in London, would you then say that it is British?

posted on January 16th, 2010, 3:36 am

Here's a wikipedia article on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Enterprise

This is quoted from the Development section of that page.  Kirk even refers to it as United Space Ship Enterprise.

In Gene Roddenberry's original Star Trek pitch, the starship is described as a "United Space Ship," and in two episodes of the original series (TOS), Kirk refers to the "United Space Ship Enterprise".

You'll also notice that the French and British had ships named Enterprise before the US.  Now while it is very likely that Gene adapted "United Space Ship" from "United States Ship", the fact remains that they did so to reflect the international nature of the show.  I can see where you could get confused, navyguy, but since there are Star Trek nerds all over the globe and not just in the US, I'm sure that you can see why they made the change.

Bah, ninjaed by Ruanek, but I'll say it anyway.

posted on January 19th, 2010, 8:27 pm

well if thats how you feel, iam to old to be argueing with someone i dont even know. U.S.S. is a very specific, abbreviation , until i can find otherwise i will firmly, and strongly say, it stands for United States Ship.

Just in case you have difficulty reading the wiki link posted by mal, USS RODDENBERRY - HOME BASE

When your quite finished looking like an idiot shut up.

[navyguy]

posted on January 20th, 2010, 3:46 am

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thanks mary

posted on January 31st, 2010, 9:37 pm

While watching Star Treak First Contact, i noticed that after earth was done destroying itself after the 3rd world war, the picture of the United States shows up in the picture. The actual physical nature and pysical boundries of the United States are well seen from the Enterprise, yes its earth but it sure as hell as the day is long is the picture of the United States of Americia.

I don't remember seeing a map on First Contact (a bit strange since I've seen it four times),  is there anywhere I can find a screenshot of this? (It may be a while before First Contact shows up on TV again.)

[Ascended_Daniel]

posted on January 31st, 2010, 11:30 pm

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Just watched my First Contact recording again and there is only a map of the entire world briefly shown (see attachment)

There is no direct reference to the US or any other present country, it's just northern american continent

Here a quote from Memory Alpha regarding the USS abbreviation

The Federation Starfleet  used the "USS" prefix on the hulls of their starships and as part of a starship's title. USS was referred to as standing for either "United Space Ship" (TOS: "The Cage", "The Menagerie, Part I", "Space Seed", "The Gamesters of Triskelion", "Patterns of Force", "Assignment: Earth", "Elaan of Troyius") or "United Star Ship."

For all we know the US (and all other nations for that matter) ceased to exists shortly after First Contact when the United Earth was founded.

loving one's country is good.

I agree (well, except you're german, people than start to watch you closly ) but we should not forget Gene Roddenyberry was a visionary, his entire idea of Star Trek is based on peaceful coexistence of all people regardless of countries or nations

So calm down, stop insulting each other and remember what star trek stands for.

Just my 2 cents

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posted on February 2nd, 2010, 12:45 am

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your right who cares.

posted on February 2nd, 2010, 2:55 am

Who cares?

posted on February 2nd, 2010, 3:12 am

Boggz, this is Star Trek forum.  If no one is complaining or getting up in arms about silly minutia regarding canon that the people who actually made the show don't know or understand, then there's something wrong.

posted on February 2nd, 2010, 3:38 am

Boggz, this is Star Trek forum.  If no one is complaining or getting up in arms about silly minutia regarding canon that the people who actually made the show don't know or understand, then there's something wrong.

Check. 

posted on February 2nd, 2010, 10:40 am

Im surprised most people voted sabre, as the correct name was saber...

I do prefer sabre though.

posted on February 2nd, 2010, 12:47 pm

The correct name isn't actually known, that's why the debate exists...

posted on February 2nd, 2010, 1:17 pm

I believe it is called sabre actually, the guy that did the special effects for the First Contact movie calls it the sabre class, although wikipedia and Memory Alpha both call it the saber.

posted on February 2nd, 2010, 11:02 pm

I believe it is called sabre actually

Lol, still not proof .  Just another opinion to add to the pile.

the guy that did the special effects for the First Contact movie calls it the sabre class

There's good evidence

although wikipedia and Memory Alpha both call it the saber.

Fuck Wikipedia.  Alpha is more based on actual canon stuff.  Thus it doesn't really matter what we call it.  As long as you can understand what a person means when they say one or the other.

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 1:09 am

This debate is nothing, back in the times of Middle English it was common to see the same word spelled multiple different ways in the same sentence, America and Britain standardiz(s)ed different spellings of the same words, giving us these small differences. Just be glad it's only two different spellings to worry about. Both spellings are equally right.