The Defiant

[Anonymous]

posted on August 22nd, 2006, 8:36 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on August 22nd, 2006, 9:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.

LoL, I have only played once that it came to it that u had tons of defiants and that time u won, yes. But one can hardly say I always do that, if this was a one time event, khmmm maybe jump to conclusions a bit too much

If I had thrown 16 battleships against 16 defiants I think that it would be a very close battle, for 1 simple fact - they cluster and would pick battleships up 1 by 1 and Im not convinced battleships are that much stronger than the defiants. It of course also matter which battleships we are talking about If I had 16 D'Deridexes, Defiants would win. If I had 16 V-13's I think the V-13s would win, but only because of the special weapon
Though I do remember when 16 defiants went against 16 akiras, tell me how many defiants did u loose? 1 or 2 I think, with the akiras deciamted in matter of seconds. Yeah thats perfectly balanced

Defiants are NOT so strong, as Ive said b4 they are warships and not battleships, they are THE strongest ships each race has. Warship is, by definition, a ship that is made primarly for fighting. Examples of such ships are Bird of Prey for Klingons and Bug ships for the Dominion, now they are not such strong ships and are roughly the size of Defiants, why should the Defiant be any different? Cause a series was based on it? If you remember Martok had a Bop, Rotaraan I think, that also never died and destroyed a crapload of ships, why arent bops so strong then?
I guarantee you that if a series was based on a Bug ship it wouldnt be able to die as well.
I think the defiant should simply have the strenght of a medium sized ship, with fast fireing pulses. Cause it SHOULDNT be more powerful than that, as much because of the balancing as because of reality. Do you really think feds have such superior tech compared to Rommies, Klingons and Dominion? Give me a break and think racionally and not because you love the feds

Ive given my arguments to decrease the strenght of Defiants, now give yours to keep it. And dont give me: " Use 16 battleships to fight 16 defiants" cause thats not only unrealistic, its also an unvalid argument

posted on August 22nd, 2006, 9:13 pm

your right on many levels Barron

I think if you give the Defiant the strength around an Akira but speed i think thats totally fair

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 7:30 am

Not to mention that in the show the Defiant had those nifty Quantum Torpedoes that helped out alot. Since the deffiant lacks a certain blue shaded torpedo as its secondary weapon, It should be nowhere near as strong as in the show even if you factor in the godlyness of the ship in the show. (Interestingly the defiant is the only ST ship that was the featured ship in a series to actuly be destoryed and I dont mean destroyed and reset some how. The ****** was actuly destroyed at Chintaka or some place. Of course they re-christened the Sao Paulo as The Defiant but meh.

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 10:27 am

Critical Shot will now consume 65 special energy.

it is possible that the duration and energy costs will lower till the final release. you will find either special energy or duration changes in most system disabling abilities like Plasma Bolt, Precise Volley and the like

[hypercube]

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 2:25 pm

Last edited by hypercube on August 23rd, 2006, 2:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

LoL, I have only played once that it came to it that u had tons of defiants and that time u won, yes. But one can hardly say I always do that, if this was a one time event, khmmm maybe jump to conclusions a bit too much

the world does not revolve around you, i was talking about adil, cts006, dontai, lumpy bob, and all others that use huge ammounts of ktingas and sabers and other crappy ships. And that time we played and i won i didn't have tons of them, i had a group and by the ttime you were reduced to your base i had 2 groups, and it was over long before i sent them into battle, besides i had some victory wioth the monsoons too, why not make them weaker too?

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 2:41 pm

When have you aver thrown 16 battleships against the defiants, of course 1 battleship isn't a match lol that's not even the question here, becuse the fact of the matter is you ALWAYS sent tons of destroyers my way.

This post was a direct response to this post:

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okay now, i'm the guy that coused this thread i guess, i'm the "*******" who was let to build a group of defiants, i agree though, that the special weapon should, not cost more, not cost credits, but should be able to fire just once with the special energy, as for the size, maneurability, speed, it is only natural. You all cry and cry how powerfull the defiant is, of course you send small ships against it, ktingas and bugs, offuckingcourse it will destroy that, it's built FOR SMALL SHIPS with it's pulsephaser, besides there are many ways to destroy defiants, me and baron figuered it out, use strategy not numbers of small ships, or simply use battleships and their special weapons.



You started it, yes. But now EVERYONE on feds does this, its stupid and unrealistic. Defiant is not and never was a challenge for Battleships yet in FO it is, I hate that. IT IS NOT A BATTLESHIP BUT A WARSHIP, theres a difference wink.gif For instance all dominion, klingon ships are warships so why arent all of them that strong then tongue.gif

You also can not compare a ship on basis of a TV show entirely, cause then Sovies would be invincible, now wouldnt they wink.gif

Which I posted. So khmmmmm, you used YOU in your reply so I am to assume you were talking of someone else?

besides i had some victory wioth the monsoons too, why not make them weaker too? dry.gif

Sarcasm doesnt suit you And that is a stupid question, cause Im pretty sure I had some victories with scouts too Why I mention Defiants is, cause they take out entire fleets of ships with little or no losses.


Anyhow, you(anyone of you ) still havent given ANY good arguments to why its strenght should stay as it is :S

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 2:41 pm

look the defiant taking 65 special energy for the critical shot is perfect im quite happy with that at least it wont be 3 hits instantly

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 3:34 pm

look the defiant taking 65 special energy for the critical shot is perfect im quite happy with that at least it wont be 3 hits instantly

Khmmm I guess thats better than nothing, I still think its shields should be decreased tho

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 5:33 pm

we will see how it balances out, further adjustments are of course possible
The eternal eye of balancing is watching you

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 11:08 pm

Heh, I have to agree the defiant is way over powered, but in V2 I remember not building them becuase they were so underpowered... Mabye a cute comprimise on this. The ship we know takes one heck of a beating (hull wise) but when in the show have the systems actually kept up with the hull? the weapons and engines go out quick(er) than a normal starship. If you watch if she really gets into a fight she will loose one of the 5 critical systems (in the show)

So mabye reduce those, this is a tiny ship, if a klingon weapon hits it without shields, no It shouldn't be destroyed, but I think that because of its size and firepower it should loose that critical third element that the sovi should have... health and longevity. While they are at full health defiants are fine... but once they start throwing things they loose that longevity.

I also agree they feel way to slow for a ship of their size.
actually I would rather see the defiant in the first shipyard... but that is just me as a quick attack cruiser (we see them alot as akira escorts)

Also the defiant class is no battleship... she is an escort. (officialy)

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 11:40 pm

Heh, I have to agree the defiant is way over powered, but in V2 I remember not building them becuase they were so underpowered... tongue.gif Mabye a cute comprimise on this. The ship we know takes one heck of a beating (hull wise) but when in the show have the systems actually kept up with the hull? the weapons and engines go out quick(er) than a normal starship. If you watch if she really gets into a fight she will loose one of the 5 critical systems (in the show)

So mabye reduce those, this is a tiny ship, if a klingon weapon hits it without shields, no It shouldn't be destroyed, but I think that because of its size and firepower it should loose that critical third element that the sovi should have... health and longevity. While they are at full health defiants are fine... but once they start throwing things they loose that longevity.

I also agree they feel way to slow for a ship of their size.
actually I would rather see the defiant in the first shipyard... but that is just me tongue.gif as a quick attack cruiser (we see them alot as akira escorts)

Also the defiant class is no battleship... she is an escort. (officialy)

The problem in v2 was that they were underpowered but still the same cost it has now, so maybe the compromise is: Lower the power and also lover the cost (both at about akiras specs )

posted on August 23rd, 2006, 11:58 pm

agreed

posted on August 24th, 2006, 3:33 am

Hell the akira is suppsoed to be like a torpedo cruiser. I think it has 16 seperate tubes on it.

posted on August 24th, 2006, 12:03 pm

just playing with defiants, i wud love to see how they fare with a directly forward firing arc, medium range and more speed (ofc ).

btw why dont they have a forward firing arc already? ive never seen it in armada... impossible mebbe?

posted on August 24th, 2006, 2:23 pm

they DO have forward fiiring arc