The Balance Thread

posted on September 8th, 2006, 9:58 am

the akira is a strong offensive ship to be sure, but it falls somewhat short of "battleship" status in my book (and im a fan of it). it is a heavy cruiser, battle cruiser tops but not a full fledged battleship. and you cannot possibly deny it is offensive in both its design and intention for use, regardless of whatever other ships are around ships are around it.

posted on September 8th, 2006, 12:35 pm

i just think it should have a salvo mode on its torps so it can fire a salvo of four when needed

posted on September 8th, 2006, 1:26 pm

Sure it could get salvos
The thing about akiras is, whenever I saw them in a movie/series they didnt really impress me very much :S Not even with their awesome 16 torpedo tubes....

posted on September 9th, 2006, 1:36 am

in fact - as far as i remember - you do always just see one torpedo coming out of this.. module something between the warp nacells.. i don't want to know where the other 15 tubes are installed, maybe there is one under the captains char, just for security reasons..
If talking about Federation vessels blasting a firework of photon torpedos through space we should also think about a very economical factor: photon torpedos are armed with anti matter and antimatter is a hell of expensive stuff. in one of the source books (i think its "the technology of the USS enterprise-d" (at least thats the german title translated into english)) you can read that a anti-mater transport has to be escortet by at least one galaxy class ships (at a point where there were less then 10 in service) and a hand full of additional ships.
The Akira might have been designed as a "last resort blast-me-to-hell" solution against exceptional military forces (like borg cubes, borg cubes or borg cubes for example) but as it was put into active mass production service replacing the miranda losses after the dominion war i'm sure it is no longer armed with 16 tubes - or if it might still have the tubes it does not carry enough ammunition to use all of them at once effectively during battle.

Thats at least my opinion
There will probably be a blast-me-to-hell refit of the akira for either an avatar or another feature in a future version ^_^

posted on September 9th, 2006, 2:20 am

If you really want to see a ship that ***** torps, see the Dominion Dreadnought in the Valiant episode of DS9. I remember a scene where the Valiant was flying towards it and it just started litterally bombarding it with torps, there were like 20 in the air at the time :S Though its true most of them missed lol it still should be quite effective vs Battleships and Stations

The only Akira torp salvo I saw was in FC when the whole fleet fired all of their weapons to a spot on a borg cube - and that was like 4 torps :S

posted on September 9th, 2006, 4:21 am

well, the thing about the akira is weve only seen it once in canon, and for all we know it had already taken dammage, or never fired at its maximum capacity. My theroy is that it cant fire from multiple tubes at once (like mby 2) but that the 16 tubes are so that it can fire in multiple directions and angles. I do think that a burst fire would be cool. Even if it was a special for an avatar.

posted on September 9th, 2006, 11:56 am

well yeah we have sene the Akira once properly you do see it in Chintoka when they lose to teh breen but its destroyed

but Salvo of 4 would atleast give the akira's a little edge at the start of battles

and you could probs do the same thing for the vorcha seeing as it has the burst fire tubes too

[Cpt Ryan]

posted on September 9th, 2006, 12:53 pm

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in first contact, during the final push against the cube you will see the Thunderchild fire more photon torpedoes than any other class out there, (this includes a nebula with a weapons pod).
I just really want it to be put back into an offensive role in FO. In stock A2 it was classy with the Chain reaction pulsar, but tbh it seems to have been demoted in FO.

just my 2 cents (again).

posted on September 9th, 2006, 1:02 pm

maybe there could be an upgrade to quantum torps

[Anonymous]

posted on September 9th, 2006, 2:22 pm

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in first contact, during the final push against the cube you will see the Thunderchild fire more photon torpedoes than any other class out there, (this includes a nebula with a weapons pod).
I just really want it to be put back into an offensive role in FO. In stock A2 it was classy with the Chain reaction pulsar, but tbh it seems to have been demoted in FO.

just my 2 cents (again).

I just watched that sequence again, it fired exactly 3 (THREE) PHOTON torpedos at the cube, nothing more. And they most certainly werent QUANTUM torps Adil

Akira is IMO the second strongest cruiser in FO (right behind Vorcha) and it is a really good ships with a really good special weapon and it isnt too costy either. More and more people are also starting to mass them in MP, would they do that if it was not strong enough?

Also in A2 and in A1 wasnt as strong as it is in FO. I think so at least. In A1 it was on par with Griffin and Vorcha and in FO its a better than griffin and worse than Vorcha, but its cost is also apropriate. And it had only phasers and no torps

[Cpt Ryan]

posted on September 9th, 2006, 7:32 pm

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look closely, it fires a volly of 5 in just one look at it. and fires a couple in other scenes just before that.
isolated scene a couple fired here

if i remember correctly the 5 burst comes just before ( and during the start of) it banking away from the cube.
and no i dont think quantums suit the akira.

posted on September 9th, 2006, 8:49 pm

no i dont mean get quantums from the start

Im saying get an upgrade or an avatar ability for quantums

posted on September 10th, 2006, 12:35 am

no i dont mean get quantums from the start

Im saying get an upgrade or an avatar ability for quantums

oh may bad (again ), suppose so, but i would prefer an avatar upgrade that allows the akira to fire 2 or 3 photons instead of the 1. OR an avatar bonus that switches the akira special weapon to an offensive one instead of its current defensive one.

posted on September 10th, 2006, 4:11 am

look closely, it fires a volly of 5 in just one look at it. and fires a couple in other scenes just before that.
isolated scene a couple fired here wink.gif

if i remember correctly the 5 burst comes just before ( and during the start of) it banking away from the cube.
and no i dont think quantums suit the akira.

That is not a volley of 5 but a volley of 3 plus 4 more. So thats 2 volleys and u dont even know if its from the same akira

posted on September 10th, 2006, 12:58 pm

well maybe the refit of the akira could help but its not that bad as risner

what im interested in seeing right now is if the Excellsior 2 dies too fast for its cost but its not too bad just needs a little speed bump

and as for the other races the Griffin really ****** me off last night with its sensor jammer like what the **** is the point for 2 seconds