The Balance Thread

posted on September 22nd, 2006, 11:12 pm

Shrikes are more expensive, though.

posted on September 22nd, 2006, 11:57 pm

if bops and shrikes rushed ur minings say 8 of them, 10 sabres will be able to go in and pick them off from long range but i agree they cud do with an extra offensive value or 2 not defensive to give them a bit of a kick

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 12:35 am

Ive seen a fleet of 5 shrikes take out 10 sabres with ease

and ive also seen bops take out Sabres with no trouble at all

Fair enough the monsoon is a great ship but if ur mayson it doesnt help that you need to research an expensive chassis upgrade and the station

for risner it aint too bad but its still alot

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 12:48 am

agreed, if the sabre got an avatar bonus with mayson like increased offensive it wud deal with shrikes a lot better then they do now, for an defensive race the power of the sabre is a let down imo.

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 1:21 am

Shrike and Bop speed is the same as the Sabres, you CAN dance around them

Ive seen a fleet of 5 shrikes take out 10 sabres with ease

That depends on the conditions of the fight.



I think its ok the way it is because of 1 simple fact. Feds get real strong in the cruiser and Battleship phase of the game
They cant own at everything now can they :S

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 1:30 am

your testing proved other races are more powerful like the romulans for example. i know what u mean about dancing around them and their evasive manouveres but still i would like the sabre's phaser to have more oomph! only a bit mind! ^_^

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 8:48 am

baron, i dissagree, okay, the saber i don't care if it changes, but the feds need at least 1 ship, capable of repelling off rush attacks, couse even if they are good in battleships, that kinda doens't mean much if you can't battle out the resources at the beggining, or if he's a constant threat and keeps destroying your stuff, now is it?

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 9:25 am

ever tried pulse turrets against smaller ships?

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 10:38 am

have you ever beaten 8 bops with 2 turrets that you can actually build while he has those 8 bops?

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 11:46 am

from the costs of 8 bops you can build 3-4 turrets and yep they eat them up with ease

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 11:58 am

that is true but building defences around ur mining is costly and fed players sacrifice ships to build turrets and if u have 4 moon sets defendind them all with turrets proves futile as he wud have numurous bops and kvorts by then.

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 12:40 pm

Look, massing wont be so easy in V3 as destroyer build time will increase. So other races will fight off rushes easier. The fact of tha matter is they MUST NOT be best at everything cause that would be just unbalanced now wouldnt it 8-)
And we all know what Norway is capable off with its special weapon and u dont even need that many.

Also u say how feds are stupid against rushes etc etc, yesterday me smoer and frodo played 1v1v1 on Hammertime map and Smoer was rushing me, I kicked him back with Sabres and Turrets. And won in the end by defeating both of their fleets and he had a lot of kvorts in that fleet. Smoer was klingon me and Frodo were Feds.

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 12:48 pm

from the costs of 8 bops you can build 3-4 turrets and yep they eat them up with ease

yes optec, that is true, but why would he attack the turrets? if he can get around by base cloacked early on and take out my minings and researches, on the other hand, if i build them inside my base, closest to the center, my moons are screwed, since if i build turrets i can't build ships, and scattering turrets around the base means they can take them out one by one, so you see the dillema here? Ships being too weak and turrets being just a stupid tactic.

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 2:07 pm

QUOTE (Optec @ Sep 23 2006, 12:46 PM)
from the costs of 8 bops you can build 3-4 turrets and yep they eat them up with ease smile.gif

yes optec, that is true, but why would he attack the turrets? if he can get around by base cloacked early on and take out my minings and researches, on the other hand, if i build them inside my base, closest to the center, my moons are screwed, since if i build turrets i can't build ships, and scattering turrets around the base means they can take them out one by one, so you see the dillema here? Ships being too weak and turrets being just a stupid tactic.

Depending on the map, use a combination of both ^^

posted on September 23rd, 2006, 3:14 pm

nah, i still think the sabre is one of the best destroyers ingame cause its usable in all gameplay phases as fire support, i love to use them. they will probably stay as they are