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[Rhaz]

posted on March 18th, 2007, 5:50 pm

Last edited by Rhaz on March 18th, 2007, 9:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yes, I wasn't denying the fact that the defiant DOES have phasers and I bet they ARE type Ten.

But the warpcore = the sabre.
That is all fabricated.

I was disproving your point son.

Also to note regarding the sabre vs Defiant...

If the defiant has those quantums and pulse phasers...then why doesn't the sabre have a type XI or XII to compensate?

Lols, I love your ST every ship has class XII phasers.

posted on March 18th, 2007, 9:27 pm

Umm, lets not start a flame war over something like this. Kern has a point though, if the mirror Defiant is a direct copy of the original, and the mirror Defiant has a phaser array, therefore the original must have a phaser array.

aahhh, you mean that Voyager episode. true but dont forget that particular D7 was out of circulation for much longer than the average for the class.

Even so, I suspect that the conditions of the D7s sitting around in drydock by Qo'nos aren't in much better shape...

posted on March 18th, 2007, 10:33 pm

If the defiant has those quantums and pulse phasers...then why doesn't the sabre have a type XI or XII to compensate?

You do know that the Saber and Defiant are both built by THE SAME PEOPLE.Why in gods name would they try and make the Saber equal to the Defiant if the Defiant is supposed to be a ship killer and the Saber is supposed to be a Destroyer?Two different roles,two different weapon load-outs,two completely different classes.the two wouldn't meet in combat and if they did the Defiant would obviously win because it is supposed to kill off ships which fill the role that the Saber does,like the Bird of Prey or the Bugship.And would you please tell me where I said that I think every ship has type XII phasers because I don't remember saying that.

Ryan,I didn't say that both ships have the same warp core."Cochranes" are used to measure the Power output and not the type of core.I'm saying that the Defiant is speculated to have the same power output as the Saber,and the Saber has more to spare because of the lack of Pulse Phasers which is used to power around five small type X phasers.Not to mention the Saber only has 40 crew to support whereas the Defiant is said to have around 50,or 150 if they attempt to squeeze more crew into the spaces spare in its crew Quarters.

Also,did you ever stop to think that the Prometheus and Sovereign needed new power junctions or new technologies to run the flipping type XII?Maby thats why the other ships haven't got them,or maby Starfleet are refitting the other ships.I don't write any fuking matterial for Star Trek so how the **** should I know uh?If you want to find out,contact the bloody writers.I have more important things to be doing than try to prove a point to you,see if someone who writes this stuff will give you the answer.

posted on March 19th, 2007, 10:22 am

Ryan,I didn't say that both ships have the same warp core."Cochranes" are used to measure the Power output and not the type of core.I'm saying that the Defiant is speculated to have the same power output as the Saber,and the Saber has more to spare because of the lack of Pulse Phasers which is used to power around five small type X phasers.Not to mention the Saber only has 40 crew to support whereas the Defiant is said to have around 50,or 150 if they attempt to squeeze more crew into the spaces spare in its crew Quarters.

but that is my point, why would they need to design an new core for the defiant if they already had one just as powerfull in the saber... answer they wouldn't need to. Hence the core in the saber is not as powerfull. hence all that extra "juice" you claim is floating around, really isn't.

Also,did you ever stop to think that the Prometheus and Sovereign needed new power junctions or new technologies to run the flipping type XII?Maby thats why the other ships haven't got them,or maby Starfleet are refitting the other ships.I don't write any fuking matterial for Star Trek so how the **** should I know uh?If you want to find out,contact the bloody writers.I have more important things to be doing than try to prove a point to you,see if someone who writes this stuff will give you the answer.

If they were refitting the other ships, several classes would already have Type XII arrays by now, er namely the Galaxy, Nebula, Akira, Excelsior & possibly Steamrunner. Because Type XII arrays had been ship mounted since at least FC which before the Dominion War.

Why in gods name would they try and make the Saber equal to the Defiant if the Defiant is supposed to be a ship killer and the Saber is supposed to be a Destroyer?Two different roles,two different weapon load-outs,two completely different classes.the two wouldn't meet in combat and if they did the Defiant would obviously win because it is supposed to kill off ships which fill the role that the Saber does,like the Bird of Prey or the Bugship.

And wtf do you think a destroyer is supposed to do? And for the record the Defiant IS a destroyer, it was listed as a "heavy escort" because of the political views of the fed council.

[apocalypse]

posted on March 19th, 2007, 6:30 pm

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right i somehow feel responsible for this argument but here is some info on different classes and there systems (weapons speeds shields etc) here
it does state that the intrepid has

13 x Type VIII phaser arrays, total output 10,000 TeraWatts
5 x Standard photon torpedo tube9 with 38 rounds

weras the defiant has

4 x Class I rapid fire phaser pulse cannon
1 x Type X phaser bank, total output 70,000 TeraWatts
3 x Pulse fire quantum torpedo tube
1 x Probe/photon launcher equivalent to standard photon torpedo tube with 120 rounds

and the saber

1 x Type VIII phaser bank
4 x Type VII phaser arrays, total output 4,000 TeraWatts
2 x Standard photon torpedo tube with 30 rounds

posted on March 19th, 2007, 7:32 pm

Umm, lets not start a flame war over something like this. Kern has a point though, if the mirror Defiant is a direct copy of the original, and the mirror Defiant has a phaser array, therefore the original must have a phaser array.



Even so, I suspect that the conditions of the D7s sitting around in drydock by Qo'nos aren't in much better shape...

which episode was that?

posted on March 19th, 2007, 11:10 pm

 &nsbp; &nsbp; right i somehow feel responsible for this argument but here is some info on different classes and there systems (weapons speeds shields etc) here
it does state that the intrepid has

13 x Type VIII phaser arrays, total output 10,000 TeraWatts
5 x Standard photon torpedo tube9 with 38 rounds

weras the defiant has

4 x Class I rapid fire phaser pulse cannon
1 x Type X phaser bank, total output 70,000 TeraWatts
3 x Pulse fire quantum torpedo tube
1 x Probe/photon launcher equivalent to standard photon torpedo tube with 120 rounds

and the saber

1 x Type VIII phaser bank
4 x Type VII phaser arrays, total output 4,000 TeraWatts
2 x Standard photon torpedo tube with 30 rounds

The argument is done.

Clearly the Saber has type 7 and 8 phasers, the Intrepid has type 8 and the Defiant has type 10, as I thought.

posted on March 19th, 2007, 11:12 pm

What is the difference in firepower, exactly? I'm to lazy to look it up myself at the moment.

posted on April 3rd, 2007, 2:30 pm

In the TNG Tech Manual..it is stated that the Galaxy Class Type 10 array has a output of 5.1 megawatts per discharge second. Since usually two emmiters fire at one time thats about 10.2 megawatts per discharge second. The Type XII array on the Sovereign/Prometheus is aproximately 8.0 megawatts per discharge second, with two emmiters firing at once typically thats 16.0 megawatts. The difference between the Type VII, Type VIII and Type IX arrays may not even be the amount of damage the array does but how much power it consumes...if you reduce them all the way back..you could say that the Type IX does about 4.6 megawatts, the Type VIII does 3.5 megawatts and the Type VII does 2.6...but who knows...Like I said, it might not be how much damage it does but how much power it uses up or how efficiently it fires. The Type IX phasers on the Ambassador might do just as much damge as the Galaxys do..but i doubt it, yet the Galaxys larger, newer warpcore and better power transfer conduits allow it to fire its phasers longer and use up less energy in the process... Regardless...there are several factfiles that state that ships like the Saber and Intrepid have less phaser capacity than a ship like the Galaxy..the only site i know of that says that all the current 24th century designs have Type X phasers is ACTD (A Call To Duty) DITL and Memory Alpha all state the latter. And as a side note the Galaxy, and Nebula classes as a base possess two Type 3 Burst Fire Photon torpedo tubes..capable of firing ten rounds every 5 seconds...and flaming someone over what a fictional starship has as far as weaponry is pointless....just shows immaturity.....

posted on April 3rd, 2007, 10:30 pm

Thanks for coming in with those tech specs, worf.  I never figured the exact difference between the two...

posted on April 6th, 2007, 10:44 am

about 6 or so years ago i lost that manual (forgot how, to painful i guess).  had some fond memories of that book.

posted on April 6th, 2007, 6:29 pm

theoretically if a starship is big enough it could have the huge phaser arrays
the reason smaller ships don't have them is because the dont make enough power, save the defiant, which is purpose built for war

posted on April 6th, 2007, 8:21 pm

 &nsbp; &nsbp; right i somehow feel responsible for this argument but here is some info on different classes and there systems (weapons speeds shields etc) here
it does state that the intrepid has

13 x Type VIII phaser arrays, total output 10,000 TeraWatts
5 x Standard photon torpedo tube9 with 38 rounds

weras the defiant has

4 x Class I rapid fire phaser pulse cannon
1 x Type X phaser bank, total output 70,000 TeraWatts
3 x Pulse fire quantum torpedo tube
1 x Probe/photon launcher equivalent to standard photon torpedo tube with 120 rounds

and the saber

1 x Type VIII phaser bank
4 x Type VII phaser arrays, total output 4,000 TeraWatts
2 x Standard photon torpedo tube with 30 rounds

The argument is done.

Clearly the Saber has type 7 and 8 phasers, the Intrepid has type 8 and the Defiant has type 10, as I thought.

I'd like to point out that there was a fleet-wide phaser refit (would have been while voyager was lost, I think), and just about all ships with phaser arrays below type 10 were upgraded a bit and 10 became the new standard, so the saber might now actually have type 8 and 9, or even 10!  Let me check...

posted on April 6th, 2007, 11:58 pm

Memory Alpha on Sabres (or Sabers, if you prefer):

    *  Type: Light cruiser
    * Production base: ASDB Integration section, Spacedock 1, Earth
    * Accommodation: 40 officers and crew, 200 person evacuation limit
    * Power plant: One 1500+ Cochrane warp core feeding two nacelles, two "Impulse" systems
    * Dimensions:
          o Length: 364.77 meters
          o Beam: 225.61 meters
          o Height: 52.48 meters
    * Mass: 310.000 metric tons
    * Performance: Warp 9.7 for 12 hours
    * Armament: Four type-10 phaser emitters, two photon torpedo launchers

Link: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sabre_class

posted on April 7th, 2007, 10:14 am

@red, according to that the saber is also a whopping 365 meters in length... I think not

@mort, where & when exactly was this stated or is this just non-canon rumour?