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posted on March 13th, 2007, 6:55 pm
The only may be that the design is to old and would leave emissions, but now that I think about it, that was always a problem with the cloaking devices themselves, and not the ship. Still, I'd love to build one of these w/ mixed tech.
posted on March 13th, 2007, 7:04 pm
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Yeah, I was just furiously debating the use of the class in fleet engagements.

You know?

It kinda wouldn't do so well...lol.

Somewhere along the lines of the Dominion Interceptor.
posted on March 13th, 2007, 7:05 pm
Weaker hull, though.

I agree, I can't see it still fighting, but it would still work as a scout or other type of specialty ship.
posted on March 14th, 2007, 3:23 pm
on an old point (sry about this) I think the reason voyager survived in the delta quadrant wasnt anything to do with its ability over another alpha/beta quadrant vessel but that the delta quadrant generally had weaker vessels (even voyager shuttles cud do well against the kazon (a big threat in the delta quadrant to begin with) also the borg queen seemed to like voyager for some crazy reason. but the intrepids role was to test out some new tech one of which was the gel-packs (cnt remember the others)

but to upgrade it would be pointless now as there are newer and powerfuller vessels to starfleets disposal (the defiant [not sure if its newer but it is far better as it was designed to b a warship])
posted on March 14th, 2007, 5:43 pm
The Intrepid hasn't got the same flexability as a lot of Starfleets ships.Ships like the Galaxy,Nebula and suprisingly enough the Excelsior (just look at the Lakota) were built with an ability to be easilly refited and so keep them in long term service.Ships like the Defiant,Intrepid and others would only expect to see a lifespan of maby 50 years in frontline or border patrol service and maby another 50 as internal police vessels where as Galaxy's and Nebula's and Sovereigns can expect to be exactly like the Miranda and Excelsior classes because of their flexability.

To upgrade an Intrepid,the odds are you'd need to gut it and then rework all the EPS junctions and stuff before finally putting the upgrades in and then piecing it back together.Why do that when you can upgrade a Galaxy,which has all the creature comforts,diplomatic and scientific facilities of a highly important planet,and just have to take a fiew pieces off.I believe that the Galaxy was designed with that point in mind and the Nebula inherited it because of it's "Connie-Miranda" nature.It ends up cheaper and easier,and on top of that if you're upgrading it to like the type XIII or XIV phaser latter on down the road you get more guns for your money.
posted on March 15th, 2007, 9:59 am
Ryan,the type VIII is the Array on the Excelsior and Centaur class of ships and it isn't even an Array,it's a Bank.Ships created around the time of the Galaxy class are all fitted with Type X Phaser arrays.The Akira,Intrepid,Sabre,Defiant,Nebula and others are equiped with the Type X.Newer ships like the Sovereign and Prometheus are equiped with the Type XII.And the Galaxy has at least four forward tubes clearly seen on the neck of the ship,and two are shown firing aft.The Intrepid has at least 4,2 forward and 2 aft.However,the torpedos used on the Intrepid are shown to be a new mark of Photon then used on the Galaxy and others.Plus the Intrepid is equiped with a fiew Tricobalt torpedos for station demolition,which don't seem to be in wide usage.

Just cause the Intrepid has the same type of phaser as the Galaxy doesn't mean that her phasers have the same output Rhaz.The Intrepid is much smaller so she obviously doesn't have the same power capacity.

ahhh, you voyager fanboy buffoon... there are also type VIII arrays in fact since the array was first put into use, there are arrays throughout all shipboard phaser types.

Just because something was previously a bank doesnt mean they are not going to improve it.
eg: Barretta M92F and a Glock 17. Two different guns but both firing 9mm ammo.

now consider the type VIII phaser bank & array. different setups, but both firing the same power output, albeit the array more efficiently.


The Saber is most definately NOT equipped with the Type X array. Where on earth do you think it has the room to put that?
The Galaxy has 2 forward tops, the reason it fires so many torps at one time is because they are "Burst-fire" type.

The Intrepid has something like the "mark 6" Photon torpedo or something Quoted from Janeway i think. Now where on TNG or DS9 does it say what class of photn that the Galaxy has??? plus the Tri-cobalt device had to be specially put together by Tuvok, i think most starships will have the ability to do that should the need arise, if an entire shuttle can be designed and built from scratch on board.

it doesnt have the same phaser type. why would you put something like a big Type X array when you can only power it enough to fire it as if it were a type VIII. You wouldn't, you would put on a smaller array and have that working more efficiently.

@red, i thought the D-7/K'tinga already had a cloak :blink:
posted on March 15th, 2007, 8:01 pm
The type of phaser isn't defined by its size but by its components,efficieny and time of development.Look at the type XII,they say that the type XII was a large station-mounted phaser array that was reduced in size to be fitted to ships.With your agrument you are basically saying that it is impossible to mount a type XII on a Sovereign or Prometheus because they don't have "the room" to have them equiped and it also wouldn't have the power to run them efficiently.It has also been stated that the DEFIANT has a reduced type X,and if that can have it then what in hell says that an Intrepid can't.

And I'm not going on "worded" sources when it comes to the torpedos,I'm using visual evidence to say that the Photons are different.The Galaxy,Nebula,Sabre and Akira to name but a fiew all look like they are using one type of Photon which has a dark red glow and the Intrepid uses one with a different glow pattern and a bright goldish glow.Now you can't honestly say that,for example,the type of Photon used on the Enterprise in 2379 is the same as those used during the Dominion war.It wasn't said but you can easilly tell.

Oh and I'm going to let you away with insulting me this time but if you do it again I will go flat out on you.I could be calling you a retard and a f***ing a**hole but I amn't so what gives you the right to insult me?
posted on March 15th, 2007, 11:33 pm
@red, i thought the D-7/K'tinga already had a cloak :blink:

Ah, it did, but not an efficient one! By the time of Voyager, and certainly by the time of FO, the antiquated cloaking devices that the D7's where equipped with were simple to detect due to emissions from inside the field, and upgrading old D7 hulls is not very high on the Klingon Empire's to-do list....
posted on March 16th, 2007, 3:21 am
Not to be a ****.

It has also been stated that the DEFIANT has a reduced type X,and if that can have it then what in hell says that an Intrepid can't.


But the Defiant Class is much more powerful than the Intrepid class.

Pulse Phaser cannons are more powerful than type X emitters.
posted on March 16th, 2007, 12:43 pm
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@ kern, the sovie was the first ship to have the type XII, and although it has been stated : no i dont think the Prommie should have it. If it is as simple as you say why then has the Galaxy or nebula or Akira, or any other ship for that matter been upgraded to type XII?

if you are going to state evidence it helps to state your source: where was it stated the defiant has "reduced" type X array?

The Akira actually has an orange glow for its torpedoes (FC).

its not just the size of the phaser componants on the hull, but you also need a warp core big enough to crank out enough juice, hence how can a saber have type X arrays?

the type of Photon used on the Enterprise in 2379 is the same as those used during the Dominion war.It wasn't said but you can easilly tell
And how is this so obvious to you?

Did i miss 60 seconds... where exactly did I insult you?
BTW saying to someone the things that you "could" be calling them is just a cloak & dagger way of actually calling them said things.

but if you do it again I will go flat out on you
Oh please no... noone wants to see me cry :badgrin:

@red, aahhh, you mean that Voyager episode. true but dont forget that particular D7 was out of circulation for much longer than the average for the class.

@Rhaz, also to point out that the writers made the defiant a warp speed death machine :hmmm:
posted on March 17th, 2007, 7:36 pm
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Firstly Rhaz,look at this:
Image

And Ryan,Memory Alpha is my source.It lists the Sabers warp core as a 1500+ cochrane core,same as the Defiant.So power supply to the arrays wouldn't be a problem.And thats coming from the fact that the Saber doesnt need to supply four pulse phasers so it would have a lot of spare juice to power type X phasers.

With the torpedos I ment to say "isn't the same".Thank you for pointing that out to me,slip on my part.

It doesn't matter if you think the Promie should have them or not,the Promie has type XII phasers and thats a canon fact.

And I class "you voyager fanboy buffoon" as you insulting me.Were you brought up as a jackass and you don't realise when you insult people?
posted on March 18th, 2007, 1:55 am
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First off that's the mirror universe defiant in that picture.

Thus that proves nothing.


Technical Manual

The following information of specifications and defenses comes exclusively from the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual:

 &nsbp; &nsbp;* Type: Light cruiser
 &nsbp; &nsbp;* Production base: ASDB Integration section, Spacedock 1, Earth
 &nsbp; &nsbp;* Accommodation: 40 officers and crew, 200 person evacuation limit
 &nsbp; &nsbp;* Power plant: One 1500+ Cochrane warp core feeding two nacelles, two "Impulse" systems
 &nsbp; &nsbp;* Dimensions:
 &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp;  o Length: 364.77 meters
 &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp;  o Beam: 225.61 meters
 &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp; &nsbp;  o Height: 52.48 meters
 &nsbp; &nsbp;* Mass: 310.000 metric tons
 &nsbp; &nsbp;* Performance: Warp 9.7 for 12 hours
 &nsbp; &nsbp;* Armament: Four type-10 phaser emitters, two photon torpedo launchers

While the Technical Manual itself is not canon, it is a Memory Alpha permitted resource.


Not canon, suck me off, k thnx.
<3 Ryan.
posted on March 18th, 2007, 2:42 pm
I'm sorry but wasn't it stated ONSCREAN that the Defiant schematics in the Mirror Universe WERE A DIRECT COPY OF THE NORMAL SCHEMATICS.Therefore it DOES have phasers in the normal universe and it was seen using them so that proves you wrong.And why would I suck you off,its so small I could use it as a toothpick.
posted on March 18th, 2007, 4:06 pm
oh for cryst sake i don care who gives who a blow job all ships from the mirror uni and normal uni are the same just 1 different fing United Fedoration Of Planets crue
are peacefull in nature terran empire crue are aggresiv in nature :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
posted on March 18th, 2007, 5:27 pm
And Ryan,Memory Alpha is my source.It lists the Sabers warp core as a 1500+ cochrane core,same as the Defiant.So power supply to the arrays wouldn't be a problem.And thats coming from the fact that the Saber doesnt need to supply four pulse phasers so it would have a lot of spare juice to power type X phasers.

With the torpedos I ment to say "isn't the same".Thank you for pointing that out to me,slip on my part.

It doesn't matter if you think the Promie should have them or not,the Promie has type XII phasers and thats a canon fact.

how can the saber have the same warpcore as the defiant? that core was designed for the defiant, now since the saber was built before hand...

and that is my point about the prommie, if that is ok to be given type XII arrays why not the other ships huh, because of course, according to you it doesnt matter if there is not sufficient power to use them as type XII. So like i said beforehand Voyager/Intrepids DO NOT have type X arrays.

And I class "you voyager fanboy buffoon" as you insulting me.
well since you were using words like retard & F***king a**hole, i made the mistake of thinking you wouldn't start crying over "fanboy buffoon"
Were you brought up as a jackass and you don't realise when you insult people?
perhaps you should word your insults correctly before calling someone else a jackass :x
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