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posted on March 10th, 2007, 6:57 pm
Thank you Captain Ryan.
I'm just tired of everyone saying how great the friggen Intrepid is. =(
I'm just tired of everyone saying how great the friggen Intrepid is. =(
posted on March 10th, 2007, 7:20 pm
Ryan,the type VIII is the Array on the Excelsior and Centaur class of ships and it isn't even an Array,it's a Bank.Ships created around the time of the Galaxy class are all fitted with Type X Phaser arrays.The Akira,Intrepid,Sabre,Defiant,Nebula and others are equiped with the Type X.Newer ships like the Sovereign and Prometheus are equiped with the Type XII.And the Galaxy has at least four forward tubes clearly seen on the neck of the ship,and two are shown firing aft.The Intrepid has at least 4,2 forward and 2 aft.However,the torpedos used on the Intrepid are shown to be a new mark of Photon then used on the Galaxy and others.Plus the Intrepid is equiped with a fiew Tricobalt torpedos for station demolition,which don't seem to be in wide usage.
Just cause the Intrepid has the same type of phaser as the Galaxy doesn't mean that her phasers have the same output Rhaz.The Intrepid is much smaller so she obviously doesn't have the same power capacity.
Just cause the Intrepid has the same type of phaser as the Galaxy doesn't mean that her phasers have the same output Rhaz.The Intrepid is much smaller so she obviously doesn't have the same power capacity.
posted on March 10th, 2007, 9:50 pm
Hay the intrepid is a great ship with some more upgrades she can acomplish even more never judge a ship by its ablitive hull plateing ^_^
posted on March 11th, 2007, 7:37 pm
Meh, the Intrepid is a third-rate light cruiser not designed for serious fleet engagements. Heck, it doesn't even have a specific role to play.
Maybe after a few major (and costly) upgrades and retrofits it could be a force to be reckoned with, but for all that effort Starfleet might as well just design a more modern ship just for that purpose.
Maybe after a few major (and costly) upgrades and retrofits it could be a force to be reckoned with, but for all that effort Starfleet might as well just design a more modern ship just for that purpose.
posted on March 11th, 2007, 10:43 pm
Or refit their fleet of Steamrunners, which actually do serve a role in fleet combat.
posted on March 12th, 2007, 8:44 am
The Steamrunner's role in fleet combat is mobile artillery. Any refit speaks to that specific purpose. We may continue to argue as to the place of the Intrepid class in Star Trek, or its combat effectiveness according to canon sources, but we would no longer be speaking about Fleet Operations.
If we were to continue along the technically specific route I would say that the D'deridex is not 3 times the size of the Galaxy, that no fleet in all of the playable species could put down 10 Cubes, never mind 20, or that each fleet starts with equal resources when the Federation has considerably more, that the Klingons are desperately poor, or that the Romulans would really be out in the middle of nowhere building ship-yards & bases when their entire fleet has been built over 50+ years around a principally defensive posture.
There are many technical issues that we must suspend to have a playable game.
I had listed the Intrepid as a good idea for refit only because it is already very fast and offers an excellent first-strike capability to any Fed fleet due to its TriCobalt torpedo without sacrificing its multipurpose role since it also has phasers and photon torpedoes while the Steamrunner does not. Akira and Galaxy would also work well, but the Akira is almost Romulan in its costs, and the Galaxy is free... which may unbalance the game depending on what the refit is.
I think that creativity is more important than specificity here. This is about preserving the spirit of the game, not counting phaser arrays.
If we were to continue along the technically specific route I would say that the D'deridex is not 3 times the size of the Galaxy, that no fleet in all of the playable species could put down 10 Cubes, never mind 20, or that each fleet starts with equal resources when the Federation has considerably more, that the Klingons are desperately poor, or that the Romulans would really be out in the middle of nowhere building ship-yards & bases when their entire fleet has been built over 50+ years around a principally defensive posture.
There are many technical issues that we must suspend to have a playable game.
I had listed the Intrepid as a good idea for refit only because it is already very fast and offers an excellent first-strike capability to any Fed fleet due to its TriCobalt torpedo without sacrificing its multipurpose role since it also has phasers and photon torpedoes while the Steamrunner does not. Akira and Galaxy would also work well, but the Akira is almost Romulan in its costs, and the Galaxy is free... which may unbalance the game depending on what the refit is.
I think that creativity is more important than specificity here. This is about preserving the spirit of the game, not counting phaser arrays.
posted on March 12th, 2007, 2:10 pm
thanks for the post ^^
posted on March 12th, 2007, 3:41 pm
The Steamrunner's role in fleet combat is mobile artillery. Any refit speaks to that specific purpose. We may continue to argue as to the place of the Intrepid class in Star Trek, or its combat effectiveness according to canon sources, but we would no longer be speaking about Fleet Operations.
If we were to continue along the technically specific route I would say that the D'deridex is not 3 times the size of the Galaxy, that no fleet in all of the playable species could put down 10 Cubes, never mind 20, or that each fleet starts with equal resources when the Federation has considerably more, that the Klingons are desperately poor, or that the Romulans would really be out in the middle of nowhere building ship-yards & bases when their entire fleet has been built over 50+ years around a principally defensive posture.
There are many technical issues that we must suspend to have a playable game.
I had listed the Intrepid as a good idea for refit only because it is already very fast and offers an excellent first-strike capability to any Fed fleet due to its TriCobalt torpedo without sacrificing its multipurpose role since it also has phasers and photon torpedoes while the Steamrunner does not. Akira and Galaxy would also work well, but the Akira is almost Romulan in its costs, and the Galaxy is free... which may unbalance the game depending on what the refit is.
I think that creativity is more important than specificity here. This is about preserving the spirit of the game, not counting phaser arrays.
Fair enough. Still, I'd prefer a completely new design to a refitted 'trepid, if only just for looks. Oh, and I always hated the steamrunner being arty.
posted on March 12th, 2007, 11:00 pm
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I hate to tell you, but Canon (not Armada games).
DS9 and FC the steamrunner is a destroyer/light cruiser.
It is NOT mobile artillery.
And is in fact armed with phasers and photon torpedoes.
Thank you, nub.
I hate to tell you, but Canon (not Armada games).
DS9 and FC the steamrunner is a destroyer/light cruiser.
It is NOT mobile artillery.
And is in fact armed with phasers and photon torpedoes.
Thank you, nub.
posted on March 13th, 2007, 6:30 am
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I hate to tell you, but Canon (not Armada games).
DS9 and FC the steamrunner is a destroyer/light cruiser.
It is NOT mobile artillery.
And is in fact armed with phasers and photon torpedoes.
Thank you, nub.
I'm so sorry, I thought I had adequately addressed the issue of the limitations of game play when drawing directly from Canon sources in my last post when I spoke about the size of the D'deridex class, the capabilities of Borg Cubes, etc. Simply that we cannot have a totally accurate game (if there is such a thing as the Canon itself contains many flaws) and an entertaining/playable game. I must admit that sometimes I don't seem to be able to express myself clearly.
So let me put it to you another way: Another interesting glitch in the Canon sources is the lineage of the Klingon Bird of Prey. It was originally designed as a Romulan ship, being a more modern iteration of the original Warbird seen in 'Balance of Terror.' But due to constraints it was unveiled as a Klingon ship, but later of Romulan design, even though the Romulans have never been seen deploying this hull, and the entire foundation of the sketchy Klingon/Romulan technology trade was Klingon D7 hulls for Romulan cloaking devices.
We have already spoken positively in another thread concerning a future interpretation part of this little chasm in that in the next release we may be able to build Romulan D7 conversions (RCA). If we were to follow this line as specifically as you would like us to with the Steamrunner class, than the Romulans could also end up repurchasing Bird of Prey hulls. However; the Romulans buying back the BoP is rather akin to dropping three fresh stacks of Colombian on your bro's brown 86 Corolla hoopty ride with gold rims thats been racing up and down the same ******* block since you gave it to him 5 years ago at a point in your flo that you must only roll Mercedes, lest you lessen your hustle.
Sure, it could happen,
I just can't see it happening to me.
posted on March 13th, 2007, 5:50 pm
Fleet ops has always been a balance of canon and gameplay.
They do not over do one at the expense of the other.
Refitting the intrepid would be doing that.
And I would like to apologize for perferring canon to disgusting abuse of the Intrepid class not seen since Voyager related forums.
"The Akira is almost Romulan in cost".
The former poster was suggesting refitting the Intrepid with ROMULAN disruptors.
What sense, in all honesty, does that make?
This is a great point.
Except, again by your gameplay point (judging by your avatar).
You want that ship bad.
Despite the fact that it would ultimatly proove useless in a modern Romulan Fleet, especially with the personnel costs associated with capturing a Romulan construction ship. And the loss of multiple POWERFUL warbirds in that respect.
That D7 hull just can't hold anymore weapons.
If it was removed from the final draft *This is from memory alpha*. Then obviously, since the script never made it into the show, your point means nothing! Lol pwned. Anyways, I consider canon what APPEARS on the show, not what was theorized for the show, because then every single concept drawing of every ship is canon and thus...that sucks ***.
Seriously, don't accuse something of being canon if it was removed from the script nubbercake.
And yes, you got good rhythm and flow.
But your concept of knowledge is flawed.
They do not over do one at the expense of the other.
Refitting the intrepid would be doing that.
And I would like to apologize for perferring canon to disgusting abuse of the Intrepid class not seen since Voyager related forums.
"The Akira is almost Romulan in cost".
The former poster was suggesting refitting the Intrepid with ROMULAN disruptors.
What sense, in all honesty, does that make?
We have already spoken positively in another thread concerning a future interpretation part of this little chasm in that in the next release we may be able to build Romulan D7 conversions (RCA)
This is a great point.
Except, again by your gameplay point (judging by your avatar).
You want that ship bad.
Despite the fact that it would ultimatly proove useless in a modern Romulan Fleet, especially with the personnel costs associated with capturing a Romulan construction ship. And the loss of multiple POWERFUL warbirds in that respect.
That D7 hull just can't hold anymore weapons.
In an early draft of the script, the Klingon Bird-of-Prey was originally to be a stolen Romulan vessel (the red "feather design" of the wings' underside was designed with the original Romulan Bird-of-Prey in mind), but that detail was dropped from the final draft.
If it was removed from the final draft *This is from memory alpha*. Then obviously, since the script never made it into the show, your point means nothing! Lol pwned. Anyways, I consider canon what APPEARS on the show, not what was theorized for the show, because then every single concept drawing of every ship is canon and thus...that sucks ***.
Seriously, don't accuse something of being canon if it was removed from the script nubbercake.
And yes, you got good rhythm and flow.
But your concept of knowledge is flawed.
posted on March 13th, 2007, 5:57 pm
This is a great point.
Except, again by your gameplay point (judging by your avatar).
You want that ship bad.
Despite the fact that it would ultimatly proove useless in a modern Romulan Fleet, especially with the personnel costs associated with capturing a Romulan construction ship. And the loss of multiple POWERFUL warbirds in that respect.
That D7 hull just can't hold anymore weapons.
Well, actually thats not true. The Klingons are know to have rather... excessive... crew complements due to the fact that that they feel the need to stuff a whole army in their ships. The Roms have no need to stuff the entirety of their race into tiny compartments, which means fewer people, which, in turn, means more room inside.
posted on March 13th, 2007, 6:12 pm
Romulans, however, would not tolerate such sparse living conditions, remember seeing the interior of the Warbird in TNG?
And it is more likely that a Romulan D7 would be relegated to interior policing, minor diplomacy and a support role in a fleet conflict (at most). Considering it's arrmaments would not be up to par with current Romulan warships. Yes it could be refitted, but refitting a D7 can only take it so far, maybe even to the K'tinga standard the Klingons are using.
The high crew compliment too, would only serve to allow this vessel to be equipped to take over other vessels as sort of a 'Marine-Starship'. Akin to the type of ships (Such as Iwo Jima class) featured in the stock form of Armada II.
The ship is comparable in size and firepower to a Constitution class ship (And maybe, when heavily refitted a Intrepid Class ship). Considering that an Excelsior (Original Model) is superior to this ship in fleet combat, I see it's position in the Romulan Empire as anything larger than a destroyer or outdated light cruiser compromised.
And it is more likely that a Romulan D7 would be relegated to interior policing, minor diplomacy and a support role in a fleet conflict (at most). Considering it's arrmaments would not be up to par with current Romulan warships. Yes it could be refitted, but refitting a D7 can only take it so far, maybe even to the K'tinga standard the Klingons are using.
The high crew compliment too, would only serve to allow this vessel to be equipped to take over other vessels as sort of a 'Marine-Starship'. Akin to the type of ships (Such as Iwo Jima class) featured in the stock form of Armada II.
The ship is comparable in size and firepower to a Constitution class ship (And maybe, when heavily refitted a Intrepid Class ship). Considering that an Excelsior (Original Model) is superior to this ship in fleet combat, I see it's position in the Romulan Empire as anything larger than a destroyer or outdated light cruiser compromised.
posted on March 13th, 2007, 6:35 pm
Actually, I was thinking that the Roms would:
A: Give it a cloaking device
B: Cut the crew to less than 100, and
C: Stuff the thing full of sensors
and viola, a perfect stealth scout ship!
A: Give it a cloaking device
B: Cut the crew to less than 100, and
C: Stuff the thing full of sensors
and viola, a perfect stealth scout ship!
posted on March 13th, 2007, 6:41 pm
Not a bad idea.
I like thine plan.
I like thine plan.
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