For The Carnys

posted on April 1st, 2005, 1:51 am

True, them Cardies hate some Klingon.

posted on April 1st, 2005, 4:08 pm

but some kingons like cardsons it depinds on the klingon. but what trow of the time line naw is i am sher thare is a lot of hate for the domanon from the cardesons for taking advatege of tham in the domon war.

posted on April 3rd, 2005, 1:59 am

The Klingon idea sounds pretty interesting. I'm sure it'll play into this.

posted on April 3rd, 2005, 4:20 pm

You are forgeting that the cardassians are not supposed to have any military after they surrenderd. For atleast a long period of time, but who knows how things work in the fleet ops world. Wich is also why we should have non canon cardie ships.

posted on April 3rd, 2005, 7:42 pm

Also, some cardy ships are privately owned and were not effected by the de-militarization and are still equiped with weapons.

posted on April 3rd, 2005, 9:38 pm

the klinons are the same whay. alot the ships are owned privily by fanalys or houses as thare caled. and when thares a war thay haw to get suport from frindly houses to wage war.

from what i understand the goverment of the kligons owns alot of ships two.

i think that mite be troow in the cardason unone but not as much as the klinons. the more you look at the cardasons the more thay seem like kligons.

posted on April 4th, 2005, 3:50 am

I don't know if the cardassians are really the same as the klingons, I think of them more as a mild version of Nazi Germany. You know, the really week civilian government (detapa council) overthrown by the military, widespread torture of prisoners and conquered peoples, very hierarchal society dominated by elite military unit (obsidian order, kind of like SS don't you think?).

The Klingons on the other hand are just bloodthirsty monsters, think Japan circa 1930 to 1945

posted on April 4th, 2005, 6:49 am

I agree with the veiw of Cardassia, but i disagree on the Klingon aspect.

I'd say the Klingons were more like Samurai. Very honorable to both themsleves and their enemies. They spend their whole lives training for war, and have real trouble in a world without it (They're also nuts about swords ). Also, the concept of house rule, with each house having their own military, could classify as feudalisim.

BTW: IIRC the klingon goverment controls the Klingon Defense Force, which is the main military might of the Empire, privatly owned ships just sorta tag along for the scraps ^_^ .

posted on April 4th, 2005, 7:23 am

I think 1930s japan works fine for the klingons, because they both value honor higher then anything else, would kill themselves rather then surrender, forceably conquered their neighbors, picked a fight with a more powerful power...etc...

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posted on April 4th, 2005, 6:22 pm

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or maby the carnys wher rusha dering ww2 that whood make sints two.

the axis pawers wher aliyed with rusha than terned on rusha rusha lost the lost in ww2 so thay whood fit the carnys profile well butwe did not see the carnys in tos as far as i know.
it still duss not make much sins.

posted on April 4th, 2005, 7:02 pm

Cardassians were described as being like both Romulans and Klingons in certain respects. Klingon in their military way of fighting, but Romulan in their intelligence and personality. Based upon hearing about the post-Dominion War disarmament, perhaps this would be a good story topic for any future version of FO. What I would propose is that the Cardassians would finally be able to rearm after negotiations by someone like Garak with the Federation to rearm. That's one reason that I felt that Garak should be a Cardassian avatar for this game. As for ships, I think that having some non-canon ships might be a good idea since we've only seen the Hideki, the Galor, the Keldon, and the shuttle. I've heard of different Cardassian ship classes such as the Kalen on other websites. Perhaps we should use some of them and propose ship designs for them since they haven't been seen.

posted on April 4th, 2005, 7:46 pm

They gotta have Hutet.

posted on April 5th, 2005, 5:28 am

My thoughts exactly. It would make a good battleship. Having the Kalen class would be nice since it's cloak-capable. I think that having the ship-hull decay, plasma overload, and spatial distortion abilities from A2 would be nice on FO. The others might just be junk.

posted on April 6th, 2005, 4:18 am

I'm not sure I agree with the Hutet ... the Cardassian economy and military have both been devastated, they don't have the manufacturing base to build battleships, and if they did they would not be able to produce enough to stand toe to toe with even a fraction of anyone else's heavy fleet. Think Russian Navy post WW2, trying to build more advanced, smaller, more capable craft that can dominate lesser powers (say some of the rebel worlds in the Union) but run away very fast if the big dogs show up. I would speculate something like a Vorcha being the absolute biggest / powerful that the Cardassians could produce in numbers.

posted on April 6th, 2005, 1:26 pm

Since the Cardassians are more like a second-rate power, that isn't entirely surprising. They would have more smaller ships than big ships (they should still be able to have big ships like the Hutet, Galor, and Keldon), but there would be strength in numbers and that they would have impressive weaponry for such small ships. It does fit their profile.