Your own ship...

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:11 am

Last edited by RedEyedRaven on January 16th, 2010, 7:33 am, edited 1 time in total.

You're supposed to care because MacGyver, the coolest mullet this side of the 80's, led the team.

But I agree with most of what you said.  The show really had a lot of potential, but I think it failed to achieve it.  Science fiction has always been one of two things.  It's either used for a platform to discuss the human condition (which is why I watch it), or it is to push the envelope with strange and wacky things (Dr. Who and farscape style scifi).  The appeal of stargate was exploring the unknown in our present time, instead of in someone's rendition of the future.  That and MacGyver.

But the times they did do human condition stuff, it often felt one-sided (wait, genocide really is bad??!!  Thanks for telling us, Stargate! ) or heavy-handed.  Or an even greater problem:  It was just plain boring.  They'd labor endlessly about the plight of this or that race at the conference table.  Even more so than a TNG episode!

It was also very formulaic.  Every time you turned around, galaxy controlling aliens were vying for control the galaxy (Goauld, Ori, Wraith), and the only ones who can stop them are crack teams from the U.S. Airforce.  The Russian teams always died horribly, or superior Russian engineering was causing a potential crisis (the russian stargate ep with marina sirtis)  Oh, and machine guns, rocket launchers, and bows and arrows are far superior to highly advanced shield technology and laser beams.   Also, you can unlock any complex alien technology if you have Carter and some bad guys who are 30 seconds away from blowing you to bits.

That doesn't mean it didn't have its appeal.  There were some funny moments in the show, the groundhog day episode was a riot.  So it had its moments.  They could have done better though.  Stargate Universe is more about people and how we relate to one another, so I'm kind of liking it.  It's not "teh best show eva", but I keep tuning in, so they must be doing something good.

Of course, there's always science fiction that is able to both expand the imagination, while exploring who we are as a people.  I just like to call that Babylon 5.

About Babylon 5, I think that it was at least supposed to expand the imagination, but I barely felt this way about it (in my opinion, the human characters slowed and discussed this point down in a very annoying way). Some episodes were really great, but in general it wasn't that interesting to watch (except for almost every scene G'Kar and Londo Mollari were together in a room, because the alien main-characters were very good in most aspects, especially if talking about having some real personality and depth).

And about Sci-Fi in general, I'm still quite fixed on Star Trek. I watched some episodes of Andromeda, Earth: Final conflict, Seaquest and Farscape as well as Doctor Who. The last one felt more like a low budget science-fiction/alien-lunatic comedy rather than something serious as Star Trek, and that's quite new and innovative in some ways, and besides all the bizarre and hilarious things surprisingly good sometimes. Farscape was also more strange, bizarre and often funny to watch, but the laughs often were cheap. Like this little Gizmo-copy farting and peeing around whenever it doesn't have things the way it wants them to be o.o

And the point about ST:TNG, about the crew talking very much about things they could do or which could follow are often quite good and not unimportant. Sometimes very slowgoing, especially if you can't wait the solution of a conflict being put into action, but it also makes misunderstandably clear how important communication is between people, who are working together and are up to deciding things which would have consequences. In Voyager this point was executed on the level of stupidity in every episode (and if it wasn't Voyager's crew who was stupid in a single case, it at least was one of the other parties involved like the Aeon-pilot who shoots at Voyager for causing an explosion in a future but having "NO TIME" to explain it further even if he is piloting a freaking time machine!), but in TNG it was executed well. The aspects of humanity still were best-handled in TOS (Spock, Kirk and Bones discussing things is amazing everytime, even if the rest of the series in general is not the best if you're not crazy about it) and TNG (Data talking with almost everyone about what it is to be human and the characterfocused episodes for all main characters getting through interesting phases of life right now) I also was an eight-year old child when I came to watch TNG the first time around, so the character of Data was something I could sometimes identify very much with when going through episodes focused on the Data-is-Pinocchio-basis.


And no; I don't care about Stargate or O'Neill because he was MacGyver over 20 years ago I never liked MacGyver, but at least I can see why that show is called "classic".^^

Edit:
Almost every show has its moments to get sympathy by the audience, the big problem I have is just that I never saw one of them (and it isn't like I just watched one or two episodes of it when I was bored and had no better idea than watching television and it was on) or missed them if they were in any of the episodes I actually watched. 

posted on April 18th, 2010, 2:15 am

Class: Intrepid
Name: USS Crazy Horse
Registry:NCC-98319
Outfit: Slipstream

posted on April 18th, 2010, 2:32 am

Haha   I like the name

Any reason why you chose it?

posted on April 18th, 2010, 2:43 am

Is it named after the same guy as the Excelsior Class Crazy Horse?

posted on April 19th, 2010, 12:44 am

The ship is named after a Sioux Chief. 

posted on April 21st, 2010, 5:30 pm

Class: Sovereign class
Name: USS Sovereign
Registry: NCC-73811
Outfit: Regal Refit

XD

posted on April 23rd, 2010, 7:39 am

Debris freighter
"U.S.S. Dont shoot me"

1x forward installed handheld-phaser-rifle with two batteries
1x shield generator strong enough to hold up space-flies
1x A large cargo bay
1x A drunken captain
2x toilet

Eats up alle the ships that have been destroyed up until now and makes new things out of it, like a playground for kids with borg debris, a supermarket out of romulan armor plates, a new freeway for wheelchair-drivers made out of klingon warrior-quarters.

posted on April 23rd, 2010, 1:08 pm

i like that ship. i wonder how much effect a phaser rifle would have on a ship if fired out of the window mafia style. if all the people on the ship did it, it might have an effect. it would look like the phasers in the new abrams-trek.

posted on April 23rd, 2010, 4:30 pm

Well, I'm invincible with that ship. The borg simply ignore me because I'm not worthy of assimilation. And over the time, I get more and more stuff, refitting everything until I have a tactical command fusion prime cube of hell +20. 

posted on April 23rd, 2010, 9:47 pm

Well, I'm invincible with that ship. The borg simply ignore me because I'm not worthy of assimilation. And over the time, I get more and more stuff, refitting everything until I have a tactical command fusion prime cube of hell +20. 

The Cardassians and the Klingons would try to put you out of your misery on sight

And I think the Borg would want their technology back (and anything else worth of value)

posted on April 23rd, 2010, 11:26 pm

Class: Descent
Name: USS Energizer Bunny
Special Power: Hyper Active Shield regeneration.

posted on April 23rd, 2010, 11:35 pm

Nice fluffy name for a massive battleship... like Fluffy, the 3-headed monster-hound.

posted on April 24th, 2010, 12:33 am

Nice fluffy name for a massive battleship... like Fluffy, the 3-headed monster-hound.

Well, if the word fluffy didn't mean (generally) cute ball of fur, I guess it would be acceptable...

posted on May 11th, 2010, 9:03 pm

USS São Paulo
Defiant-class
NCC-75633

i was rather pleased that a ship named after my birthplace was honoured as a worthy replacement for the old Defiant prototype

posted on May 11th, 2010, 9:10 pm

About Babylon 5, I think that it was at least supposed to expand the imagination, but I barely felt this way about it (in my opinion, the human characters slowed and discussed this point down in a very annoying way). Some episodes were really great, but in general it wasn't that interesting to watch (except for almost every scene G'Kar and Londo Mollari were together in a room, because the alien main-characters were very good in most aspects, especially if talking about having some real personality and depth).

And about Sci-Fi in general, I'm still quite fixed on Star Trek. I watched some episodes of Andromeda, Earth: Final conflict, Seaquest and Farscape as well as Doctor Who. The last one felt more like a low budget science-fiction/alien-lunatic comedy rather than something serious as Star Trek, and that's quite new and innovative in some ways, and besides all the bizarre and hilarious things surprisingly good sometimes. Farscape was also more strange, bizarre and often funny to watch, but the laughs often were cheap. Like this little Gizmo-copy farting and peeing around whenever it doesn't have things the way it wants them to be o.o

And the point about ST:TNG, about the crew talking very much about things they could do or which could follow are often quite good and not unimportant. Sometimes very slowgoing, especially if you can't wait the solution of a conflict being put into action, but it also makes misunderstandably clear how important communication is between people, who are working together and are up to deciding things which would have consequences. In Voyager this point was executed on the level of stupidity in every episode (and if it wasn't Voyager's crew who was stupid in a single case, it at least was one of the other parties involved like the Aeon-pilot who shoots at Voyager for causing an explosion in a future but having "NO TIME" to explain it further even if he is piloting a freaking time machine!), but in TNG it was executed well. The aspects of humanity still were best-handled in TOS (Spock, Kirk and Bones discussing things is amazing everytime, even if the rest of the series in general is not the best if you're not crazy about it) and TNG (Data talking with almost everyone about what it is to be human and the characterfocused episodes for all main characters getting through interesting phases of life right now) I also was an eight-year old child when I came to watch TNG the first time around, so the character of Data was something I could sometimes identify very much with when going through episodes focused on the Data-is-Pinocchio-basis.


And no; I don't care about Stargate or O'Neill because he was MacGyver over 20 years ago I never liked MacGyver, but at least I can see why that show is called "classic".^^

Edit:
Almost every show has its moments to get sympathy by the audience, the big problem I have is just that I never saw one of them (and it isn't like I just watched one or two episodes of it when I was bored and had no better idea than watching television and it was on) or missed them if they were in any of the episodes I actually watched. 

i love B5 as much as DS9 trek, the series are not that dissimilar, both have numerous big wars, politics, morality, humor, various other plots.

SG-1 is focused around the same thing, but mostly exploring and learning.


I would serve on a defiant sized ship and have it named the USS Harrassment NCC-3000, send it into the soft targets with all the firepower and weight it carries , defiantly a close combat ship requiring a lot more action.