STXII 2012 script is coming to gather.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 3:11 pm

People really need to face facts.

Berman/Braga Trek is gone.
Roddenberry Trek is gone.

Berman/Braga pretty much ran the franchise into the ground by over saturating 3 shows all in the same decade with TNG/Ds9/Voy then Ent soon as Voy ended.

Trek needed a new audience, JJ Trek gave that to them and he did it in a respectful way by not destroying the cannon and creating an alternate reality.

If You take JJ trek as it is intended which is a homage to the original stuff but brought up to date, then it's actually a very good film with Music that matches the class of the previous films.

I just hope that we get more than three films, I'd like a 4-6 movie run. Would be bloody cool, considering they have all of TOS / TMP era to base as a guide.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 6:32 pm

Trek needed a new audience, JJ Trek gave that to them and he did it in a respectful way by not destroying the cannon and creating an alternate reality.

The only thing this does is create a nice little loophole JJ Trek can slip into in order to avoid all the constrictions of cannon. Basically it's just a get-out-of-jail-free card which allows him to do what ever the hell he wants. I mean come on, "red matter"; on the techno-babble scale that's 5-10 times worse than anything previously invented. He devolved it into nothing but a shoot-em-up blaster (?? yeah, blaster ) fest which revolves around psycho-maniac, evil, revenge driven bad guys and hot, bad boy heroes. There's none of the political intrigue or moral quandary we see in the other movies.

And as far as this new audience goes, Abrams may have drawn in a "new" audience, but at the same time he's sent a good 50-70% of the old audience running. So just how much better off is he compared to pre-JJ Trek? I'd say his net gain was actually fairly small. Watch, I bet this next one doesn't do anywhere near as good; everyone went to this first one because they didn't know what to expect and hoped it would be good. But now that people know what to expect, they're not going to go to the second movie if they didn't like the first one.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 6:50 pm

The only thing this does is create a nice little loophole JJ Trek can slip into in order to avoid all the constrictions of cannon. Basically it's just a get-out-of-jail-free card which allows him to do what ever the hell he wants. I mean come on, "red matter"; on the techno-babble scale that's 5-10 times worse than anything previously invented. He devolved it into nothing but a shoot-em-up blaster (?? yeah, blaster ) fest which revolves around psycho-maniac, evil, revenge driven bad guys and hot, bad boy heroes. There's none of the political intrigue or moral quandary we see in the other movies.

And as far as this new audience goes, Abrams may have drawn in a "new" audience, but at the same time he's sent a good 50-70% of the old audience running. So just how much better off is he compared to pre-JJ Trek? I'd say his net gain was actually fairly small. Watch, I bet this next one doesn't do anywhere near as good; everyone went to this first one because they didn't know what to expect and hoped it would be good. But now that people know what to expect, they're not going to go to the second movie if they didn't like the first one.

i don't mean to add injury to insult but that is well put.
lets face it, the only thing jj  is concerend about is money, not cannon, not tech, not good acting, if he is willing to lose all those things just to please a newer, unthankful crowd that doesn't know the differencce between a disrupter and a phaser, then he will simply kill the show(if he hasn't already) just for these peoples ammusment.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 7:05 pm

yeah, did anyone else notice that the 'phasers' sounded more like SW:Ep 1 Naboo palace blasters? 

That really put me off.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 7:08 pm

Yeah, JJ is really just made the movie in the spirit of other movies out there right now which are mostly all like that. Super inflated, semi-invincible bad guys out for revenge or world domination, etc. with physically attractive heroes that lack much depth. It's really very much like old American superhero comics. Then add in flashy, shiny ships and guns with lost of lens flare to cover up the fact that it looks like crap and you're golden.

...doesn't know the difference between a disruptor and a phaser...

It doesn't look like Abrams knows the difference between a phaser and a disruptor; especially in the 23rd century. I mean come on, Starfleet doesn't develop pulse phaser technology until the late 24th century. Why? Simple: phaser pulses are harder to generate and control than a continuous beam. Even if it is a different reality, there's no reason the Federation would have developed pulse technology sooner.

yeah, did anyone else notice that the 'phasers' sounded more like SW:Ep 1 Naboo palace blasters? 

That really put me off.

Yeah. That's as bad as the Infinite Space people making the Defiant sound like a TIE fighter or something.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 7:13 pm

JJ Trek will make loads of money. Like the Transformers movies, it has an easy to understand story (things want to kill us, we shoot them and get the macguffin) that means it will do okay everywhere it's shown. So it will just get a bunch from overseas audiences.

I think it will be a long time before we get anything close to Star Treks II and VI. For now we just have to hope that Trek movies keep making money so that more films will be made, eventually one of them has to be good even if they are just formulaic movies (Ninja'd by Atlantisbase on this lol) designed to make tons of money with little concern for quality.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 8:47 pm

I mean come on, "red matter"; on the techno-babble scale that's 5-10 times worse than anything previously invented.

what about The secondary gyrodyne relays in the propulsion field intermatrix have depolarised. from the emh2 in voyager

posted on March 8th, 2011, 8:50 pm

It doesn't look like Abrams knows the difference between a phaser and a disruptor; especially in the 23rd century. I mean come on, Starfleet doesn't develop pulse phaser technology until the late 24th century. Why? Simple: phaser pulses are harder to generate and control than a continuous beam. Even if it is a different reality, there's no reason the Federation would have developed pulse technology sooner.

no offence but
watch the episode "Ballence of terror"  TOS, before you say that man

[Tyler]

posted on March 8th, 2011, 8:56 pm

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I don't know about TOS, but prime Starfleet had pulse-style weapons since at least the Constitution Refit. It fired phasers in a series of short pulses.

Presumably, the technology used in the Defiant weapons (the Phaser cannon) was what they never developed until later. Probably some technobabble device they never had before.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 9:06 pm

The pulse Tech Aborad early TOS Starfleet dsigns was traded in for more effective and controlable beam based nadion discharge weapons. it wasen't untill DS9 that they solved the problem of unexceptibly low power Effecency, thus the nadion Based(instead of matter disrupter) Pulse weapons we See on the Defiant class Starships

posted on March 8th, 2011, 9:09 pm

Was that stated in canon? Because Reliant also had pulse weapons, while TOS used beam weapons most of the time.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 9:10 pm

what about The secondary gyrodyne relays in the propulsion field intermatrix have depolarised. from the emh2 in voyager

That actually makes sense if you work through it.
"gyrodyne relays" - some connective, distributive, restrictive, etc. device which utilizes a gyroscopic control mechanism
"in the propulsion field intermatrix" - the device is part of the propulsion system, presumably having to do with warp travel
"have been depolarised" - the device has been damaged, knocked out of alignment, has lost its presumably magnetic polarization and might, therefore, be a problem.

But red matter makes no sense. Some magical substance which can make an instant black hole when ignited. As I recall, it doesn't even get a techno-babbly explanation, it's just "red matter".

no offence but
watch the episode "Ballence of terror"  TOS, before you say that man

I don't know about TOS, but prime Starfleet had pulse-style weapons since at least the Constitution Refit. It fired phasers in a series of short pulses.

Presumably, the technology used in the Defiant weapons (the Phaser cannon) was what they never developed until later. Probably some technobabble device they never had before.

I'm afraid I haven't seen much TOS so I can't speak to that. But short bursts of continuous energy are different from contained pulses. A short burst would, presumably, only be effective at fairly small distances as the farther the target is, the longer the beam must be active to reach the target; while a a contained pulse would be effective at much longer distances.

The pulse Tech Aborad early TOS Starfleet dsigns was traded in for more effective and controlable beam based nadion discharge weapons. it wasen't untill DS9 that they solved the problem of unexceptibly low power Effecency, thus the nadion Based(instead of matter disrupter) Pulse weapons we See on the Defiant class Starships

Ok, so they had some kind of pulse weapon but it was fairly useless.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 9:16 pm

The presence of existing pulse weapons shows they didn't develop pulse weapons later, but just hadn't perfected them. Your claim was they didn't develop them until Defiant appeared.

Assuming they weren't perfected, as we don't have canon informatiopn about any difference between Consitution/Miranda ones and Defiant ones aside from firing differently.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 9:22 pm

But red matter makes no sense. Some magical substance which can make an instant black hole when ignited. As I recall, it doesn't even get a techno-babbly explanation, it's just "red matter".

by that logic so does red matter, its matter, yes, its red, yes, so its red matter 

romulans made quantum singularities in their ships, they invented red matter too probably. thats probably just their slang term for it. it is a silly development, but its just as technobabbly as a lot of the rubbish in voyager. like hotter dilithium that lets u go to warp 10....

posted on March 8th, 2011, 9:34 pm

I guess people here haven't heard of charm, colour, up, down etc

Science doesn't have to have 15 syllables arranged haphazardly to describe something complex