STO Next canon Enterprise(1701-F) Sweepstakes

posted on January 4th, 2011, 7:12 pm

I doubt my computer could handle STO, it lagged like hell with WoW.

Hmm, I read "Countdown" and I don't remember the E to be destroyed.  I don't think we need another Enterprise.

I don't think it was, it was still alive when the Nerada vanished through the 'black hole' at least.

posted on January 4th, 2011, 11:08 pm

See B/S(CBS) owns trek. If thay say its cannon its cannon. Its as simple as that. I dont like it, but it is what it is. I still say the JJ films will tie into the normal trek time line. when next to movies come out I will say I told you so! 

posted on January 4th, 2011, 11:12 pm

See B/S(CBS) owns trek. If thay say its cannon its cannon. Its as simple as that.

its definitely not that simple. CBS/paramount decide what to make. whatever gets made BECOMES canon. its not canon until its released in CBS made trek medium. so if CBS decide that kirk the enterprise E was destroyed when riker crashed the titan into it, its not canon until it is released in some form by CBS. ie a film, tv show, book etc. as long as its produced by CBS. if they dont make it, its not canon.

posted on January 4th, 2011, 11:16 pm

Typically, it also needs to be something live action. So far, only TAS has been the exception to that rule.

The writers of the new film said the JJverse is seperate from the main one, though I wouldn't mind seeing them open a rift to a universe with DS9-era Terran Empire.

posted on January 4th, 2011, 11:18 pm

Typically, it also needs to be something live action. So far, only TAS has been the exception to that rule.

thats mainly because trek has existed nearly completely in live action.

if cbs released a book, written by a writer from TNG and done by CBS and not just permitted, i would consider it canon. but trek doesnt really work terribly well in print. mainly a fan thing, much lower scale.

posted on January 4th, 2011, 11:25 pm

From what I know of the policy, only live action things (and TAS) are considered canon but novels and the like can only be official except things from them referenced in canon. I think it was always like that.

I'm generally going by the Memory Alpha definition:

The Star Trek canon is generally defined as all live-action television series and feature films released by Paramount Pictures. With the release of Star Trek: The Animated Series on DVD, the studio appears to have changed its stance, and is now listing the cartoon series (aired 1973–1974), as a part of established canon.

posted on January 4th, 2011, 11:30 pm

From what I know of the policy, only live action things (and TAS) are considered canon but novels and the like can only be official except things from them referenced in canon. I think it was always like that.

I'm generally going by the Memory Alpha definition:

thats the current definition of canon since the owners of star trek have never released anything else. they have sanctioned releases from other groups/individuals but never made any themselves. if a book was released that is made by the owners of star trek i would support including it in canon.

i find it highly unlikely any such works will ever be made, so the definition of canon isnt likely to change.

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posted on January 5th, 2011, 2:42 am

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What exactly destroyed the E?

Worf left his leg waxing mussen on after debarking and data cat tried to have sex with it thinking it was data.

What exactly destroyed the E? What do we need an F for? I didn't read the whole thread(only pages 1 and 3).
Ah, I hated those Star Wars effects , the music was rubbish, too. BUT I still think it was a good movie, it made people remember Star Trek(I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in Germany they forgot so fast about it... :-[). And after what I've read about the next movie so far I think/hope they'll insert some more... substance. They created nice characters(come on, you never knew anything about the Chekov, Uhura, Sulu and Chekov, they've been absolutely stereotype. Kirk, Spock McCoy were the masters) and made a nice introduction. NOW they have to use that and give it some intelligent plot as we want to see it in a real Star Trek movie!

posted on January 6th, 2011, 10:13 am

While the majority of Star Trek XI is in an alternate reality, you still have to realize that the destruction of Romulus in the prime Star Trek timeline is canon.

As for STO, it's a bit less clear.  It seems like they want it to be canon, which also implies that they won't release anything else that would contradict it (unfortunately...).  When it comes down to it, it's CBS that decides what is canon, not Memory Alpha.  What CBS said about STO being canon differs from previous statements, which makes it easy to dismiss.

To me, though, Star Trek cuts off before Romulus blows up.  So I knowingly reject something that is canon.  From there I can easily reject STO, canon or not.

posted on January 6th, 2011, 11:54 am

CBS doesnt decide whats canon, they decide what to make, when its made it becomes canon.

sto is made by cryptic (part of atari) who arent CBS, they are given permission by CBS in a deal, but so have several books etc all of which are not canon.

the day CBS makes something (99% chance that will be a film or tv show) that includes x then x wil become canon. they only decide whats canon when they MAKE star trek.

posted on January 6th, 2011, 5:02 pm

CBS doesnt decide whats canon, they decide what to make, when its made it becomes canon.

sto is made by cryptic (part of atari) who arent CBS, they are given permission by CBS in a deal, but so have several books etc all of which are not canon.

the day CBS makes something (99% chance that will be a film or tv show) that includes x then x wil become canon. they only decide whats canon when they MAKE star trek.

Well, they did decide that STO would be made.  They did say that STO is canon.  You're saying that only a film or tv show can be canon because that's the only thing CBS can make (CBS isn't going to make a book or game itself).  I'm not saying that that is wrong, but other systems (notably Star Wars) do include multiple forms of media as canon.

posted on January 6th, 2011, 5:11 pm

Star Wars canon is more lenient than Star Trek. Different sources have different standards, though I think the EU was classed as seperate and unrelated to the movies by Lucas.

[Anonymous]

posted on January 6th, 2011, 5:13 pm

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I have, and always will include only films and series as canon.  Even XI is canon in its own way.  They can get away with it because it is an alternate timeline.

And please, lets not let Star Trek become Star Wars where everything with Lucas's name on it is considered canon. I don't even consider most of his previous movies canon any more because of all the stupid stuff he's added to it.

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that is why I own the original theatrical versions.

posted on January 6th, 2011, 6:22 pm

Well, they did decide that STO would be made.  They did say that STO is canon.  You're saying that only a film or tv show can be canon because that's the only thing CBS can make (CBS isn't going to make a book or game itself).  I'm not saying that that is wrong, but other systems (notably Star Wars) do include multiple forms of media as canon.

they licensed sto, but they didnt make it, cryptic did. CBS cant decide other things are canon. they can only make canon things. otherwise all the silly books would be canon, the titan would be canon cos the owners of star trek said the books could be written. armada 2 would be canon and a galaxy could beat a borg cube

i could go to CBS and get a book deal where i give them money in return for using the trek name and intellectual property (like characters and ships etc) and i could write some weird stuff. i could finally see to it that riker is dead.

permitting a star trek game/book/song etc doesnt make it canon. they have to actually do it themselves. so if CBS made a game themselves it would be canon, but they arent game developers. if they made a tv series, it would be canon. if they wrote a book it would be canon, since its CBS themselves. the owners of trek have always stayed away from these types of media though, possibly to keep canon under control. if every book was canon, memory alpha would groan under the weight of inconsistency. some pretty weird stuff has happened in books written by 1 trek fan with a typewriter.

posted on January 6th, 2011, 8:08 pm

So the only way for something other than a tv show or movie to be canon is for a tv/movie company to write a book or make a video game?  I think you're making it impossible for anything else to be canon.