ST Torpedo Discussion

posted on November 25th, 2010, 1:09 am

1) Star Trek is not real
2) If you take the canon-series for a "near real simulation", it is still heavily biased
3) If you put your canon-based knowledge into a game, it will get even more biased
4) And if you try to balance it out, you will get an even more biased version of "reality"

I think most if not all people posting in the thread understand this.

posted on November 25th, 2010, 2:07 am

While everyone would like to stick their fingers in the cake, only someone who knows how to bake should apply frosting.

posted on November 29th, 2010, 7:41 am

You're talking about technology around 200 years later and saying it invalidates my argument.  Let me reiterate: that is a long time later.  It doesn't necessarily apply ENT-era.

How does it not invalidate your arguement ?

It was cutting edge tech for the feds and roms 200 years later, yet it played a key role in Ent. The holocloak was even a key part of the campaign of SFC3, in which the roms stole a sample of the Fed's holocloak and used it to nearly start a fed/klin war.

And I can basically guarantee that the drone ship was Tal Shiar (admittedly without rewatching the episode), and even in the show they had an explanation for why they didn't keep using them.

Which makes even less sense. It was tech, as your first sentance admits, that was 200 years EARLY. And yet they decide to be good sports and not use it ?

The Tal Shiar could have pulled the cloak out at some point during the war - if they used it well, there may have been no survivors to talk about it.  But the technology could still have been really limited.  We also don't know if the Romulans even lost that war, if I remember correctly.  They and Earth could have ended the war without a clear winner.  It happens sometimes.

Yes, we do know. I suggest watching TOS, or TNG, both make metnion of said incidents.

And once again, the cloak is in TOS presented as brand new.

I'm STILL waiting for a sensable rebuttal to how that fits in with Enterprise's poor attempt to pose as trek.

For the nukes - I can think of a lot of reasons not to detonate them right above my home planet.  That doesn't apply to battles in deep space.  Also, we don't know that Earth didn't shoot nukes at the next superweapon to attack Earth (if there even was one) - they could easily have been unprepared and not able to launch them at the time the first one attacked.  And as Tyler said, nukes can be detonated prematurely.  Maybe not every time, but do you want the possibility of it happening when you can also use more conventional weapons and not potentially devastate your own planet?

lol dude, nukes ARE conventional when compared to antimatter torpedos. Photons were BRAND NEW. Nukes were centuries old. Battle damage can easily detonate a photon. Battledamage isnt that likley to detonate a nuke.


And actualy eys we DO know tehy didnt shoot nukes at the next superweapon. We know because that weapons destruction was, suprisingly enough, one of the episodes of Ent.

There's not even a single mentionf of ICBMs, surface to space missles, space to space missles, etc etc.

And considering earth KNEW an attack was intended to come, the lack of said defences was quite stupid in an in characther sense (not to mention story sense....... but it's not like the Ent crew really worked much, or sober, on teh story)

Edit: Ok, so the Romulan Star Empire apparently did lose to the Earth Alliance (including Vulcan...).  It doesn't really affect my point, though.

Yes it does.  It totaly invalidates your point, You start out admiting that yes the tech was 200years out of date........... and yet you also dismiss how they abandoned it as not mattering..........


Where is the sense in abandoning the holo cloak and the cloaking device when you could just use conventional ships with them in the earth romulan war and go ahead and win it.

Earth Alliance (including Narn...)