ST Torpedo Discussion

posted on November 14th, 2010, 4:17 pm

Tyler, I dont see were it ever said Klingons didnt use antimatter anywere in trek.

[Tyler]

posted on November 14th, 2010, 4:22 pm

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Warp Core, Klingon:

During the 23rd century, dilithium crystals were also used in Klingon warp reactions to generate energy at sufficient levels to enable warp flight. A difference noticed in the 24th century was that Klingon engines use a tritium intermix (tritium/antitritium) rather than a deuterium intermix. (DS9: "When It Rains...")

Tritium intermix:

The adjustment to the tritium intermix protected the Ki'tang from being disabled by the Breen's energy dissipators. Soon after, General Martok ordered every starship in the Klingon fleet to make the adjustment. Federation and Romulan starships are not designed in this exact manner (Federation ships used deuterium/antideuterium and Romulan ships used quantum singularities) and their ships needed a different way to compensate for the weapon. (DS9: "When It Rains...")

I didn't say they never used it, only that they don't use it as fuel. Their only styore of it woulsd be the Torps they left the yard with. They can't use their fuel stores in weapons because they use different resources.

posted on November 14th, 2010, 5:08 pm

antitritium is still antimatter as tritium is still matter lol.

i dont see why the klingons would use tritium as their fuel source seeing as deuterium is easier to find (dont believe silly writing).

then again protium/antiprotium would probably be even easier.

deuterium is for nuclear fusion.

tritium helps fission reactions lol

[Tyler]

posted on November 14th, 2010, 5:10 pm

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According to Memory Alpha, they're different but similar.

posted on November 14th, 2010, 5:28 pm

According to Memory Alpha, they're different but similar.

what are different but similar?

deuterium/anti-deuterium reactions vs tritium/antitritium reactions?

they are different, but both count as matter/antimatter reactions.

like ford and mercedes-benz are different companies but both are car manufacturers.

as tritium has more mass than deuterium a tritium/antitritium reaction would probably generate more energy,

but tritium also appears in nature with less frequency.

[Tok`ra]

posted on November 15th, 2010, 2:25 am

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My guess is it produces more power compared to a federation reactor of the same size, but is more dangerous, which would fit the Klingons.

And Tyler, Myles is right, it's still antimatter.

Actualy that'd also explain the green in most TNG era and later Klingon photons, as tritium tends to glow green. Ever had a watch with green glow in the dark dials on it ? Thats tritium.

I didn't say they never used it, only that they don't use it as fuel. Their only styore of it woulsd be the Torps they left the yard with. They can't use their fuel stores in weapons because they use different resources.

Yeah, anti-tritium is still antimatter. That means they still use it as fuel as well as explosive.

It's as if I said the Feds use gas and you pointed out the Klingons use Diesel, it's all still gas.

I'd imagine that most of the time torpedos are inert, only being armed (and loaded with antimatter) when the situation calls for it, with the antimatter being stored the rest of the time. I'd imagine that the torpedo rooms would have smaller antimatter storage pods specificly for arming torpedos.

posted on November 15th, 2010, 11:21 am

about tritium glowing green hence green klinky stuff.

i doubt they (the writers/vfx) did it on purpose lol

and yes the more mass involved in a m/am reaction would probably mean more energy released, so tritum/antitritium would probably be more powerful than deuterium/antideuterium

[Tok`ra]

posted on November 15th, 2010, 1:26 pm

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More power, but greater radiation/containment hazzards even at 'safe' levels.

Yeah, fits perfectly.

But is there any tritium mention newer than the TMP era ?


And yeah Myles, I'm pretty sure that some earlier TNG stuff had red photons for Klingon ships

The green photons were likley a screwup/lazymoment on the vfx guys part

Like the photon tube shooting a phaser in Darmok, whats seen on screen isnt 100% reliable.


As for FO, I say do the following:

1- Add microtorps to ALL BoPs. Have the tooltip for BoP micros state something about a number of them being refit with micros, to make re-arming them easier, and allow higher ammunition storage and easier replication of replacement components for torpedos.

2- Add regular photons to higher ranked or veteran BoPs with burst fire settings, with the exact ammout per burst played with til it balances.

[Tyler]

posted on November 15th, 2010, 6:00 pm

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Tok'ra actually won? There's a first time for everything... even if on a technicality (same name, different resource).

Did the regular universe Klingons ever have green photons? I only remember them appearing in the mirror universe...

1- Add microtorps to ALL BoPs. Have the tooltip for BoP micros state something about a number of them being refit with micros, to make re-arming them easier, and allow higher ammunition storage and easier replication of replacement components for torpedos.

This one's the better of the two, though it already mentions trading for space and adding too much info would bog down the tooltip.

posted on November 15th, 2010, 6:57 pm

Did the regular universe Klingons ever have green photons? I only remember them appearing in the mirror universe...

off the top of my head i think i saw the neggie fire them in way of the warrior.

posted on November 15th, 2010, 7:57 pm

Do you mean the fire from the large pods? I thought those were Disruptor shots rather than Torpedoes.

posted on November 15th, 2010, 8:02 pm

Do you mean the fire from the large pods? I thought those were Disruptor shots rather than Torpedoes.

they looked like torps to me.

posted on November 15th, 2010, 8:07 pm

The two can look similar sometimes, though MA goes with Disruptor emplacements.

I don't think the Negh'Var was ever shown using Torpedoes in the prime universe or timeline.

posted on November 15th, 2010, 8:17 pm

those shots looked like torpedoes...

[Tyler]

posted on November 15th, 2010, 8:20 pm

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While torps have also looked like disruptors a few times. Either way, I still trust MA on weapons. Especially considering they left trails similar to the Disruptors on the B'rel.