Morality distortion.
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posted on July 12th, 2009, 7:05 pm
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and my experiences and most others how give it up.
Agin how many time do I have to post there are no facts you keep looking for them you will be disappointed over and over agin.
I get that thats why your trying to show me I am wrong. Whets real is I am nether wrong or right I just said what I said.
When you debate with thats so its like debating if gravity pulls you down. It just dose no resin it just dose, you can argue this point over and over agin but why?
So I guess the best question to ask is why are you so attached to morality what do you get out of having it? Being right? Maybe making others wrong? Or maybe that you wont to make your self wrong because of some hidden meaning you implanted about your life or your self?
What ever it is only you could say why are you attached?
Agin how many time do I have to post there are no facts you keep looking for them you will be disappointed over and over agin.
I happen to think that our morality is something we should cherish, but I would mind debating with you. In fact I would quite enjoy it
I get that thats why your trying to show me I am wrong. Whets real is I am nether wrong or right I just said what I said.
When you debate with thats so its like debating if gravity pulls you down. It just dose no resin it just dose, you can argue this point over and over agin but why?
So I guess the best question to ask is why are you so attached to morality what do you get out of having it? Being right? Maybe making others wrong? Or maybe that you wont to make your self wrong because of some hidden meaning you implanted about your life or your self?
What ever it is only you could say why are you attached?
posted on July 12th, 2009, 9:37 pm
No sorry, I'm not trying to say that you are wrong, just that we having different opinions and neither of them are more right than the other. Sorry for the confusion.
posted on July 12th, 2009, 10:35 pm
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What your not getting and what I have said be for there no no other option to be have.
What is so is not my options that its so it just if for what ever resin that it is.
Why don't we debate whether gravity is real instead?
Taking care of a another human is no good its just taking care of another human when you define it as good you add some thing thats not relay part of the action a interpretation.
Take the interpretation out your left with what is so.
Bush was bad, he was not bad it is a interpolation bush was bush thats all.
Bush was good, he was not good it is a interpolation bush was bush thats all.
There are people out there how thing bush was good and there are some out there how think he was bad. What the truth hows right and why?
Warning this is a trick question.
What is so is not my options that its so it just if for what ever resin that it is.
Why don't we debate whether gravity is real instead?
Taking care of a another human is no good its just taking care of another human when you define it as good you add some thing thats not relay part of the action a interpretation.
Take the interpretation out your left with what is so.
Bush was bad, he was not bad it is a interpolation bush was bush thats all.
Bush was good, he was not good it is a interpolation bush was bush thats all.
There are people out there how thing bush was good and there are some out there how think he was bad. What the truth hows right and why?
Warning this is a trick question.
posted on July 13th, 2009, 12:01 am
ewm90 wrote:What is so is not my options that its so it just if for what ever resin that it is.
u don't seem to get it ewm. u can't tell what "is". using ur funny examples:
100 BC: the earth is flat is what "is"
2000AD: the earth is flat is what "is not"
4000AD: the earth is ?
if u r so bold to say that u can put opinion and interpretation aside and speak only what "is" then i wish u good luck with ur crusade. don't forget ur torch.
ewm90 wrote:Why don't we debate whether gravity is real instead?
yes, why don't we:
Intelligent falling (IF) proposes that the scientific explanation of gravitational force cannot explain all aspects of the phenomenon, so credence should be given to the idea that things fall because a higher intelligence is moving them. Furthermore, IF asserts that theories explaining gravity are not internally consistent nor mathematically reconcilable with quantum mechanics, making gravity a "theory in crisis".
above is just a joke but gravity IS a theory.
posted on July 13th, 2009, 12:52 am
There no other way I know to explain what is except to say it just is and to give other examples of what is. What is is some thing you just have to get its not some that can be explained as far as I know.
Its worked for me and many other to get what wonted in life fast and effectively, it give you power over what holds most people back in life and can make you stand out.
Yes it is and is thats so until its disprove with is the natter of what is.
Dogs do what they do for resins only know to a dog.
A dog know nothing of costs. To a dog money dose not exists the dog gets food at a time and probably dose not thing where is comes from. If a dog shifted the way the dog thought about ones money, experiences of food and people would shift and would thank for for what it has to a grater degree.
In the same way when you get a new concept humans worlds shift, the idea of "is because it is" more experiential then explainable you get this your world shifts a bit. Its a very important concept.
People look for resins why is it like that I need to figure it out. This concept dose not fall in that relm at all.
Its worked for me and many other to get what wonted in life fast and effectively, it give you power over what holds most people back in life and can make you stand out.
gravity IS a theory.
Yes it is and is thats so until its disprove with is the natter of what is.
Dogs do what they do for resins only know to a dog.
A dog know nothing of costs. To a dog money dose not exists the dog gets food at a time and probably dose not thing where is comes from. If a dog shifted the way the dog thought about ones money, experiences of food and people would shift and would thank for for what it has to a grater degree.
In the same way when you get a new concept humans worlds shift, the idea of "is because it is" more experiential then explainable you get this your world shifts a bit. Its a very important concept.
People look for resins why is it like that I need to figure it out. This concept dose not fall in that relm at all.
posted on July 13th, 2009, 1:09 am
however, All creatures show value to things they need. such as money, food, companionship, friends and even morality.
All things are theory. O theorize you exist, and arn't a computer program, and I think I am right, until I find I am wrong. Same thing with gravity. It all works until we find a place where it doesn't apply. Time is a Theory.
All things are theory. O theorize you exist, and arn't a computer program, and I think I am right, until I find I am wrong. Same thing with gravity. It all works until we find a place where it doesn't apply. Time is a Theory.
posted on July 13th, 2009, 1:31 am
No they don't value is a perception, I sheer you have heard the expression one mans trash is anther mans treasure.
A friend is a relationship and the relationship is the value one put on its not inherently there.
food is a attribute use to describes some thing some thing consumes. Food to a rock had no value value is added consumers.
money is a thing. To Mahatma gondy the value of money of different they lets say the CEO of Enron. Value is added
companionship is a tern describing a event to a fish a companionship has no value its all so added.
morality is a concept people have so much value in they are not only attached they see it as the truth when bean over and over its not the truth is a interpretation.
Prefect and another way to say that is they are what is. when one says what is they would need to it not the truth and that they except it for what they know it to be and what they know it not to be.
A friend is a relationship and the relationship is the value one put on its not inherently there.
food is a attribute use to describes some thing some thing consumes. Food to a rock had no value value is added consumers.
money is a thing. To Mahatma gondy the value of money of different they lets say the CEO of Enron. Value is added
companionship is a tern describing a event to a fish a companionship has no value its all so added.
morality is a concept people have so much value in they are not only attached they see it as the truth when bean over and over its not the truth is a interpretation.
All things are theory
Prefect and another way to say that is they are what is. when one says what is they would need to it not the truth and that they except it for what they know it to be and what they know it not to be.
posted on July 13th, 2009, 2:20 am
Saying "all things are theory" is not the same as saying "that is they are what is". Theories are concepts, not fact.
There isn't really anything in the universe that is unquestionable. If someone explained to me what gravity was and what it did to us in everyday day life, I would ask why, because I want to know where that understanding comes from.
There isn't really anything in the universe that is unquestionable. If someone explained to me what gravity was and what it did to us in everyday day life, I would ask why, because I want to know where that understanding comes from.
posted on July 13th, 2009, 11:48 am
Nether is what so.
What is so is what there is no but its never a constant.
What's so is what there is at that given time. a theory is what what we know of. If your adding any thing more then that your adding meaning where it there is none.
What's so is not a fact ether.
Let me ask you what do you think what is, is?
Totally agree. The questions are imposed what is is not about questions its about expecting what is as what is because there nothing els at the time that dose not mean there nothing els its just excepting what is for what it is and what its not.
IF I was to go and question every thing in life what I would be left with is questions and not have relay lived life. To have most things work in life one needs to except things for what they are.
Example if I walked out of my home and look at the side walk and wonder what what in it and started testing it found that out then looked for where it came from, I would be late for work and not real be experiencing all ether had to offer.
Its best to look at things as what so.
What is so is what there is no but its never a constant.
What's so is what there is at that given time. a theory is what what we know of. If your adding any thing more then that your adding meaning where it there is none.
What's so is not a fact ether.
Let me ask you what do you think what is, is?
There isn't really anything in the universe that is unquestionable. If someone explained to me what gravity was and what it did to us in everyday day life, I would ask why, because I want to know where that understanding comes from.
Totally agree. The questions are imposed what is is not about questions its about expecting what is as what is because there nothing els at the time that dose not mean there nothing els its just excepting what is for what it is and what its not.
IF I was to go and question every thing in life what I would be left with is questions and not have relay lived life. To have most things work in life one needs to except things for what they are.
Example if I walked out of my home and look at the side walk and wonder what what in it and started testing it found that out then looked for where it came from, I would be late for work and not real be experiencing all ether had to offer.
Its best to look at things as what so.
posted on July 13th, 2009, 12:35 pm
ewm90 wrote:Its worked for me and many other to get what wonted in life fast and effectively, it give you power over what holds most people back in life and can make you stand out.
ok, if it works for u then stick with it. i dont have a problem with that. i just dont like the way u r trying to convince us.
ewm90 wrote:gravity IS a theory.
Yes it is and is thats so until its disprove with is the natter of what is.
assumption that something is a "fact until proven otherwise" is so wrong i even cant find a funny or sarcastic comparison for it. there's a saying in my country related to this: "a man is a camel until he proves that he is not". u cant prove that "intelligent falling" is wrong so it is a fact, right?
ewm90 wrote:IF I was to go and question every thing in life what I would be left with is questions and not have relay lived life. To have most things work in life one needs to except things for what they are.
i'm a little lost here. could u explain to me if i understand u. what u mean is:
it's better to accept things as they are then to question everything around me and look for answers of origin and meaning of things. doing the first let me live my life "in peace" while doing the second leaves me with questions i probably wont find answers to.
is this what u mean or have i lost it?
posted on July 13th, 2009, 6:55 pm
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Good luck guys, he's just not getting it.
@ewm90:
Science does not work like "it's true until it's disproven". It works like "it's a theory until it is proven".
Even if a certain theory is the ONLY theory at the time, it does not mean it is the truth. It is still possible for it to be wrong. And given that other people have got different theories on this topic, this shows that there ARE other possibilities, so what you posted, ewm90, is NOT "what is so". It is what you believe is so, and no amount of stubbornness is going to change that. Yes, I have repeated this a lot already, but I don't need to say anything different. Whether your theory is right or wrong, your attitude stinks.
You can not tell us what is right, or what is wrong. You do not have the authority, ability, or right. Nobody does. And if you are arrogant enough to think that you do, then you have no place on a discussion forum, because DISCUSSION involves people talking about different views on a topic. That is what you have here, and you are unable to deal with that.
Arrogance has no place on an open discussion forum. All views are equal, and all views are VIEWS, nothing more.
You say that this kind of determination is the way to get things done? No. The kind of people who stubbornly barge in, determined to follow one path, do not help the world. They cause damage, pain, and misery, sacrificing the greater good for their own petty reasons. This kind of person includes dictators like Adolf Hitler and GWB.
The people who REALLY make changes to the world are those who learn to understand things, and come up with new theories when the old ones don't work any more. These people include Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, and Stephen Hawking.
@ewm90:
Science does not work like "it's true until it's disproven". It works like "it's a theory until it is proven".
Even if a certain theory is the ONLY theory at the time, it does not mean it is the truth. It is still possible for it to be wrong. And given that other people have got different theories on this topic, this shows that there ARE other possibilities, so what you posted, ewm90, is NOT "what is so". It is what you believe is so, and no amount of stubbornness is going to change that. Yes, I have repeated this a lot already, but I don't need to say anything different. Whether your theory is right or wrong, your attitude stinks.
You can not tell us what is right, or what is wrong. You do not have the authority, ability, or right. Nobody does. And if you are arrogant enough to think that you do, then you have no place on a discussion forum, because DISCUSSION involves people talking about different views on a topic. That is what you have here, and you are unable to deal with that.
Arrogance has no place on an open discussion forum. All views are equal, and all views are VIEWS, nothing more.
You say that this kind of determination is the way to get things done? No. The kind of people who stubbornly barge in, determined to follow one path, do not help the world. They cause damage, pain, and misery, sacrificing the greater good for their own petty reasons. This kind of person includes dictators like Adolf Hitler and GWB.
The people who REALLY make changes to the world are those who learn to understand things, and come up with new theories when the old ones don't work any more. These people include Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, and Stephen Hawking.
posted on July 13th, 2009, 8:28 pm
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assumption that something is a "fact until proven otherwise" is so wrong i even cant find a funny or sarcastic comparison for it. there's a saying in my country related to this: "a man is a camel until he proves that he is not". u cant prove that "intelligent falling" is wrong so it is a fact, right?
No its not a fact as I keep saying and is in my profile. I dont think there is such a thing as a fact. Its just what there is.
it's better to accept things as they are then to question everything around me and look for answers of origin and meaning of things. doing the first let me live my life "in peace" while doing the second leaves me with questions i probably wont find answers to.
yes to a point, there are some thing you need to know in life to have things work. Ower way of life puts a hevey berden on leaning facts. The trick is to lean what you need and then use it fully. Informations is good to have tomuch of any thing is just to mutch. some thjings its beast to clasify "as so" rather then trying to figer it out.
Science does not work like "it's true until it's disproven". It works like "it's a theory until it is proven".
agin there is no truth in my book nothing true..
Even if a certain theory is the ONLY theory at the time, it does not mean it is the truth
Why do people think I am speeking of the truth I am not nore have in this thread. in fact I have repetedly staed there is no truth
It is still possible for it to be wrong
When I say morality I am noalking about jugments not acsaly what is, exsampal: I worked out of my home and said Oboma is a germen I would be wrong about him bing a germen, and I would not be wrong for saying it. if that makes scents to you.
It is what you believe is so
and what I believe is so is so to me so its so.
and no amount of stubbornness is going to change that.
Corect.
so what you posted, ewm90, is NOT "what is so".
Well if its not the truth, its not a openon, its not a theory and its all there is I dont know how to call it?
Whether your theory is right or wrong, your attitude stinks.
awch that heart. what are you trying discredit it? you know thats your openon when you state it as whas so or a fact you heart people.
You can not tell us what is right, or what is wrong
Of corese not there is no such thing.
And given that other people have got different theories on this topic, this shows that there ARE other possibilities,
Yes there are and this one has bean tested and works realy well.
You can not tell us what is right, or what is wrong. You do not have the authority
there is no authority to be had.
you got it there. I recomend you check out the empty and meningles topic you seem to have alot invested in your view I am gessing it means some thing to you.Nobody does.
And if you are arrogant enough to think that you do
eing smart has nothing to do with this that was a angree stab at trying to make me feel bad. You will have to do beater then that I see it as empty and meningless I can take for then most poeple how dont have theses tools.
Arrogance has no place on an open discussion forum. All views are equal, and all views are VIEWS, nothing more.
So why are you trying to cut my views down then? I hapeen to fell the same way and I have some thing that can make things in ones life that have not worked in the past start working.
do not help the world.
That could not be ferther from the what is. The 3ed class in the technolagy I took was about taking what we leaned and creating some thing in the world that binafits man kind.
This programe I can think of with tens of thosense of others.
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posted on July 13th, 2009, 9:20 pm
lol, yet again misinterpreting and twisting every single thing i said. other people seem to understand what i mean. why don't you?
being talked down to, by some know-it-all who doesn't even understand the simple truth that different people perceive things in different ways... why am i wasting my time here?
as it all went over your head, forget it all. just think about the following words:
we are not arguing directly with your theories. the problem is in how you SAY them. you might not be able to see it, but other people can, and people are getting offended and annoyed by your way of writing.
i thought a lot better of you before this thread. you seem to be losing a lot of credibility here, which is a pity, because you have made some very good points. unfortunately, attitude counts for a LOT on places like this.
being talked down to, by some know-it-all who doesn't even understand the simple truth that different people perceive things in different ways... why am i wasting my time here?
as it all went over your head, forget it all. just think about the following words:
we are not arguing directly with your theories. the problem is in how you SAY them. you might not be able to see it, but other people can, and people are getting offended and annoyed by your way of writing.
i thought a lot better of you before this thread. you seem to be losing a lot of credibility here, which is a pity, because you have made some very good points. unfortunately, attitude counts for a LOT on places like this.
posted on July 14th, 2009, 12:00 am
Well there is 9 possibility I can that I can think of why this cold happen: 1. I don't understand what you are saying the way you are saying it 2. you don't understand what I am saying 3. I am ignoring what you are saying 4. you are ignoring what I am saying 5. we are ignoring what both saying. 6. we both don't understand. 7 I am resisting what you said 8. you are resisting what I said. 9. we are both resisting what each other said.
For me I am answer the questions I saw please speak in the most basic way you can pretend I am a baby.
O boy you think I am taking down to you? I have clean my mind of any idea of how you mite be and replaced it with a image of some one how is assume, perfect, and complete. I a sheer you I have not nore will talk down to you. Your not making it easy for me to keep that assume, perfect, and complete image I crated about you. Please tone down the conversation what ever you thought my motives where they where only to make a difference for people, any thing you mite think about be other then wonting to make a difference is not what I am up to.
I don't know it all I now about 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what there is to know.
This I know the terms I am using here I don't use on the street. I am ok if some one gets mad at me or dose not like me I will continue to live. The goal is to make a differences with people not to make then like me if I can have both grate! I have ad several brake thaws in looking good.
credibility is not what I am after. people will see me the way they wont no matter what I do so I am just going to do what I can to make a impact in people lives.
If this makes a differences for one person it will be more then worth it.
For me I am answer the questions I saw please speak in the most basic way you can pretend I am a baby.
O boy you think I am taking down to you? I have clean my mind of any idea of how you mite be and replaced it with a image of some one how is assume, perfect, and complete. I a sheer you I have not nore will talk down to you. Your not making it easy for me to keep that assume, perfect, and complete image I crated about you. Please tone down the conversation what ever you thought my motives where they where only to make a difference for people, any thing you mite think about be other then wonting to make a difference is not what I am up to.
by some know-it-all
I don't know it all I now about 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what there is to know.
we are not arguing directly with your theories. the problem is in how you SAY them. you might not be able to see it, but other people can, and people are getting offended and annoyed by your way of writing.
This I know the terms I am using here I don't use on the street. I am ok if some one gets mad at me or dose not like me I will continue to live. The goal is to make a differences with people not to make then like me if I can have both grate! I have ad several brake thaws in looking good.
credibility is not what I am after. people will see me the way they wont no matter what I do so I am just going to do what I can to make a impact in people lives.
If this makes a differences for one person it will be more then worth it.
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