Morality distortion.

[Atlantis]

posted on July 8th, 2009, 5:25 am

Last edited by Atlantis on July 8th, 2009, 5:27 am, edited 1 time in total.

I'm getting tired of this; I'm basically repeating myself every time, and obviously you're having a LOT of trouble understanding this. It's a very simple problem, and I don't see why you have such trouble with it. (if you can talk to people like this, why shouldn't I?)

The problem is not that you are having trouble READING what we say. The problem is that you are just arrogantly IGNORING what we say. You decide that it is wrong before you even think about it.

You think you are speaking without interpretation, but you are NOT. What you say IS ALWAYS an interpretation. In your head, what you think is 100% correct, but you are NOT the centre of the universe. You can NOT go around saying "MINE IS THE ONLY WAY!", because IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY.

Everything you say is your own interpretation. It is not possible to say ANYTHING without interpreting it your own way.

Normal discussion: People state their own views on a topic, and comment and ask questions on other people's views.

ewm90-style discussion: ewm90 states his view, and arrogantly dismisses anyone else's views. ewm90 refuses to listen to any criticism, and patronises anyone who tries to explain a different interpretation. Every thread ends as people give up trying to enlighten ewm90, and ewm90 moves on to next topic to do the same thing again.

We are not asking you to accept or embrace any other person's interpretation, but if you are going to have any serious discussion on any topic, you need to open your mind to the POSSIBILITY that someone else will think differently, because YOURS IS AN OPINION.

Now, if you don't get it this time, then I give up trying to help you. You can continue through life ignorant and arrogant... it makes no difference to me, I'll just watch and laugh as you have the same problem with everyone else.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 9:19 pm

Well hear is how what you are saying comes off to me.

You accusing me of purposely not reading why you are saying and you are saying its not because of my reading. Witch makes no scents to me, I can not figure out why I would do such a thing feather more I decide that some thing is wrong in a conversation about why not to use Morality.

What so over hear is I have no idea what you are talking about I thought I answer every thing and when you repeat you tell me back what you did be for, I have what you posted before.

“Normal discussion” Normal is a interpretation of how things should be.

What view have I dismisted?

What you don’t get is its no a OPINION it just how it is no matter of how many times you post what you post will not change what so. I can change the what so I just see it for what it is. what is it that you are confused by?

Thank you I don’t need help my life has bean assume after taking this on I know can see I full ok after taking these tools on I stopped trying to fix my self that never worked because I don’t need fixing.

Cutting me down and what these tolls offer will not make them less real.

I'm getting tired of this; I'm basically repeating myself every time, and obviously you're having a LOT of trouble understanding this. It's a very simple problem, and I don't see why you have such trouble with it. (if you can talk to people like this, why shouldn't I?)

The problem is not that you are having trouble READING what we say. The problem is that you are just arrogantly IGNORING what we say. You decide that it is wrong before you even think about it.

You think you are speaking without interpretation, but you are NOT. What you say IS ALWAYS an interpretation. In your head, what you think is 100% correct, but you are NOT the centre of the universe. You can NOT go around saying "MINE IS THE ONLY WAY!", because IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY.

Everything you say is your own interpretation. It is not possible to say ANYTHING without interpreting it your own way.

Normal discussion: People state their own views on a topic, and comment and ask questions on other people's views.

ewm90-style discussion: ewm90 states his view, and arrogantly dismisses anyone else's views. ewm90 refuses to listen to any criticism, and patronises anyone who tries to explain a different interpretation. Every thread ends as people give up trying to enlighten ewm90, and ewm90 moves on to next topic to do the same thing again.

We are not asking you to accept or embrace any other person's interpretation, but if you are going to have any serious discussion on any topic, you need to open your mind to the POSSIBILITY that someone else will think differently, because YOURS IS AN OPINION.

Now, if you don't get it this time, then I give up trying to help you. You can continue through life ignorant and arrogant... it makes no difference to me, I'll just watch and laugh as you have the same problem with everyone else.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 9:37 pm

Ewm, have you even conceded that you're wrong during a discussion of this type?

(Note that I'm not pointing out a specific instance where I think you were wrong; I'm just using general terms here.)

posted on July 9th, 2009, 12:12 am

Yes total then I conceded that wrong is a interpretation not relay whats happening.

wrong and right are to speech as Santa and tooth ferry are to kids.

Its like for me to go throw life saying that the color green means evil and every one how wheres green is evil to me its about as strange as people going throw like saying that's wrong or I am right.

Green being evil is made up as is wright and wrong.

[Anonymous]

posted on July 9th, 2009, 12:47 am

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As are your views and everyone else's.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 1:11 am

I am not sheer what you are speaking of when you say As are your views and everyone elses. there no subject in that post.

My views are my views and other views are there both are valid and crate different impacts when they are heard.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 1:22 am

No ones opinion is of higher value than the other's unless it is deemed so by you, and even then it doesn't matter,because if you view one view higher than the other, it only gives it more value to you, not everyone else.

[ewm90]

posted on July 9th, 2009, 1:31 am

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Correct,

And what I am saying is not a opinion, if you watch the video clip at the start of the topic my view is excepted in the scientific world not excepted in the majority of the world yet be a head of the curve and start live rolling with out making people wrong or right and stop being wrong or wright life's to short and rare to suffer throw it..

posted on July 9th, 2009, 1:40 am

if right and wrong, even subjective right and wrong, are illusory wisps of meaninglessness, then life is robbed of even the possibility of purpose.

Therefore, you, sir, are wrong in my subjective viewpoints, because your opinion is caustic and it devalues the pursuit of purpose in our lives.

[ewm90]

posted on July 9th, 2009, 1:46 am

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Throw meaninglessness life can be even tuns more fun! and threes no suffering anger and regret its a assume place to come from.

The purpose in a empty and meaningless life is created by you fully with and powerfully!

There is no inherent purpose/meaning/place to get in life, life is what you create it as.

>>New videos added<<

posted on July 9th, 2009, 2:07 am

There is nothing that can be stated that is not an opinion,

posted on July 9th, 2009, 2:08 am

Throw meaninglessness life can be even tuns more fun! and threes no suffering anger and regret its a assume place to come from.

The purpose in a empty and meaningless life is created by you fully with and powerfully!

There is no inherent purpose/meaning/place to get in life, life is what you create it as.

Hm, a curious blend of perception and idiocy.  I'll have to take this point-by-point, to separate the wheat from the chaff.

First, fun without meaning is hollow and laughable.  You have fun, and then.... it's over, and you'll never have it back.  Ever.  That's the thing about fun; it never lasts.  And what about when you're not having fun?  You say that there's no suffering, anger or regret; I say that all three of these pervade a meaningless life, and these very reactions find their home in a life lived for nothing but the moment at hand.  

Indeed, those who have a greater goal in mind are less likely to break out in sudden and foolish spurts of anger and hate.  They are less likely to become discouraged, and they have a reason to hold strong through the difficulties that life will send your way.

Your second point, unlike the inanities of the first, holds some truth; you do forge your own purpose.  However, 'forging' is perhaps not the best word, as it fails to capture your true involvement in the meaning of your life.  You don't just create meaning; no, sometimes you don't create it at all.  You choose meaning.  As for me, I chose a Christian life because of reasons I can only truly explain in person; the sheer amount of words that would be required to share how I came to this decision means that the task doesn't lend itself to typing.  So in a sense, I agree with you.  We are responsible for our purpose.

As for your third point.  Perhaps there is.  Perhaps there isn't.  Choose, and act on that choice.

Additionally, I watched that Dawkins video.  I was... underwhelmed.  Really, he failed to address the point in any way that would have left some form of satisfaction.  He didn't make any apt points in support of his own views, and he didn't really have any ammunition against 'religion', either.  Come to think of it, he didn't make any satisfactory points at all.

I wasted five minutes of my life listening to an extremist babble on about nothing in particular (his method of expressing his views and his opposition to compromise mean that Dawkins is, in fact, an extremist).

[ewm90]

posted on July 9th, 2009, 2:23 am

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In a empty and meaningless life you till deal with the same thing life is life its all what you make of it.

in a empty and meaningless The same challenges some up they just are challenges not problems.

in a empty and meaningless you still feel joy happiness and excitement they just don't mean anything.


Yes I feel the same way thats why I added more videos, the darwin hints at it.

Additionally, I watched that Dawkins video.  I was... underwhelmed.  Really, he failed to address the point in any way that would have left some form of satisfaction.  He didn't make any apt points in support of his own views, and he didn't really have any ammunition against 'religion', either.  Come to think of it, he didn't make any satisfactory points at all.

Hm, a curious blend of perception and idiocy.  I'll have to take this point-by-point, to separate the wheat from the chaff.

First, fun without meaning is hollow and laughable.  You have fun, and then.... it's over, and you'll never have it back.  Ever.  That's the thing about fun; it never lasts.  And what about when you're not having fun?  You say that there's no suffering, anger or regret; I say that all three of these pervade a meaningless life, and these very reactions find their home in a life lived for nothing but the moment at hand.  

Indeed, those who have a greater goal in mind are less likely to break out in sudden and foolish spurts of anger and hate.  They are less likely to become discouraged, and they have a reason to hold strong through the difficulties that life will send your way.

Your second point, unlike the inanities of the first, holds some truth; you do forge your own purpose.  However, 'forging' is perhaps not the best word, as it fails to capture your true involvement in the meaning of your life.  You don't just create meaning; no, sometimes you don't create it at all.  You choose meaning.  As for me, I chose a Christian life because of reasons I can only truly explain in person; the sheer amount of words that would be required to share how I came to this decision means that the task doesn't lend itself to typing.  So in a sense, I agree with you.  We are responsible for our purpose.

As for your third point.  Perhaps there is.  Perhaps there isn't.  Choose, and act on that choice.

Additionally, I watched that Dawkins video.  I was... underwhelmed.  Really, he failed to address the point in any way that would have left some form of satisfaction.  He didn't make any apt points in support of his own views, and he didn't really have any ammunition against 'religion', either.  Come to think of it, he didn't make any satisfactory points at all.

I wasted five minutes of my life listening to an extremist babble on about nothing in particular (his method of expressing his views and his opposition to compromise mean that Dawkins is, in fact, an extremist).

posted on July 9th, 2009, 2:34 am

All the references to monkeys are a pointless waste of time.  I don't care where the came from, and neither should you.  It doesn't matter anymore.  It never really did.  What matters, the only thing that matters, isn't where we came from but where we are going.  All we have to do is choose, and act.

I have chosen Christianity because it's infinitely more meaningful and balanced and forward-thinking than part-centered Darwinist inanities about our origins, which may or may not be true.

Science has no purpose beyond that of any other tool, and we best not let it distract us from matters of importance.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 2:44 am

That was spoken so well I all most mistakes you for a Forum grad.

matters of importance are a chose not a fact