Morality distortion.
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posted on June 30th, 2009, 5:08 am
Last edited by ewm90 on July 9th, 2009, 2:03 am, edited 1 time in total.
What is and where dose Morality come from? what happens with out it????
Is it wrong to kill the book that most look at for Morality says yes.
Heres what is posable with out Morality, this video hints at it.
This topic is not intended to be about religion altho religion will probably come up in it.
Morality is a human construct used to justify interpretation.
Morality is often used as a way in with one dose not have to take responsibility for ones actions.
This is not about if there is or isn't a god, I don,t know if there is or is not not and my goal vea this topic is not about trying to say there is or is not its totally about Morality with is separate from faith.
Take mary, and another called bill.
Take 1 Morality
mary nocked over a drink on bill running to help a friend how was upset because they where rude. Bill gets up and starts yelling at mary, mary was doing the right thing by helping her friend and yells back and they start to hate each other.
Take 2 what is so
mary nocked over a drink wile trying help a friend how was feeling down, Mary says sorry and explains what happening and bill offers to help they all be come good friends.
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Morality can also be internalized say you did some thing bad in your past you cary it around suffering and feeling bad for what?
Life dose not care what you did or did not do you will still die and its about what you choose to do with the time you have.
Morality is a interpretation not the truth.
posted on June 30th, 2009, 11:59 pm
Do you ask for another opinion? Well, this is mine:
In my opinion, morality is an additional sense. It tells you something about something being right or wrong. This sense can be quite strong; for me, it is a very strong and demanding sense, that even blocks certain ways of thinking.
But what is right and what is wrong, that can be as different as night and day, depending on culture and individual. In other words: It is a question of the point of view. In some stories an aztec wouldn't have thought twice about killing an innocent if it was in his opinion the best for the community he lived in. Today, if you kill a virgin, you can get killed yourself by law, depending on the country.
The need to justify something only arises if there is a feeling that there is something wrong. Without morality, there wouldn't be the need to justify anything. Morality is indeed used to justify something, but in the first place it creates the need to do so.
The question of responsibility arises when you start thinking about how to justify something. That is quite often the point where morality is left behind and religion begins ...
In my opinion, morality is an additional sense. It tells you something about something being right or wrong. This sense can be quite strong; for me, it is a very strong and demanding sense, that even blocks certain ways of thinking.
But what is right and what is wrong, that can be as different as night and day, depending on culture and individual. In other words: It is a question of the point of view. In some stories an aztec wouldn't have thought twice about killing an innocent if it was in his opinion the best for the community he lived in. Today, if you kill a virgin, you can get killed yourself by law, depending on the country.
The need to justify something only arises if there is a feeling that there is something wrong. Without morality, there wouldn't be the need to justify anything. Morality is indeed used to justify something, but in the first place it creates the need to do so.
The question of responsibility arises when you start thinking about how to justify something. That is quite often the point where morality is left behind and religion begins ...
posted on July 1st, 2009, 12:18 am
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morality is not a sense its a concept of cultures.
Yes I think you getting at it and are almost there. Some cultures have defiant views or right and wrong or don't use morality at all. There is a built in scents of others built in to a person witch is not connected with morality at the start. This grasped of the concept of others can operate with out molality and have for grater working relationships that hare even stronger then the confines of morality reaches.
perfect you got it there.
molality is the enemy many times of responsibility, by justify some thing tho molality I was right.
Updated spelling..
Yes I think you getting at it and are almost there. Some cultures have defiant views or right and wrong or don't use morality at all. There is a built in scents of others built in to a person witch is not connected with morality at the start. This grasped of the concept of others can operate with out molality and have for grater working relationships that hare even stronger then the confines of morality reaches.
perfect you got it there.
molality is the enemy many times of responsibility, by justify some thing tho molality I was right.
Updated spelling..
posted on July 4th, 2009, 8:42 am
Don't be patronizing by saying "you are almost getting it" when they are arguing the opposite case to you.
It seems to me like you are statingthat what you are saying about morality is fact, which it isn't, it's your opinion.
It seems to me like you are statingthat what you are saying about morality is fact, which it isn't, it's your opinion.
posted on July 4th, 2009, 9:28 am
ewm90, I have to agree with UM here, you are being more than a little patronising.
Your entire attitude in both of your posts has been of "This is the truth". It's not, it's your OPINION.
You said that morality is an interpretation, not a truth. That's the same for almost everything else. Including this topic. It's interpretation, it's opinion, and different for everyone, in a way. You can not just start a thread "preaching" your opinion to us and then tell us we are wrong if we disagree.
Your entire attitude in both of your posts has been of "This is the truth". It's not, it's your OPINION.
You said that morality is an interpretation, not a truth. That's the same for almost everything else. Including this topic. It's interpretation, it's opinion, and different for everyone, in a way. You can not just start a thread "preaching" your opinion to us and then tell us we are wrong if we disagree.
posted on July 5th, 2009, 10:52 pm
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morality is leaned not inherited thats just haw it is. you can see there have ben different community thew out time that did not use it or did not use it like we do such as the romans, Mongols, Japanese samurais, inca, aztecs, native americans pre eurowpinon influents and many more.
If you watch that movie I posted it will help you make cents of it.
It is until its disprove. To date now one has shown me any thing that challenges this. I am opened if you can disproves this.
even in the modern wolrd you can find different interpretation of morality so how to say what the correct view of morality is and if there is no correct view of it, its a concept of interpretation.
If you watch that movie I posted it will help you make cents of it.
It is until its disprove. To date now one has shown me any thing that challenges this. I am opened if you can disproves this.
even in the modern wolrd you can find different interpretation of morality so how to say what the correct view of morality is and if there is no correct view of it, its a concept of interpretation.
Unleash Mayhem wrote:Don't be patronizing by saying "you are almost getting it" when they are arguing the opposite case to you.
It seems to me like you are statingthat what you are saying about morality is fact, which it isn't, it's your opinion.
posted on July 5th, 2009, 11:03 pm
Well, what we do inherit It is inherited in the way that all people will do something wrong in some way, but it isn't immoral if they don't know that they do it. This is where the saying, "were only human" comes from. Just as we think cannibalize is completely immoral and wrong the cannibalists have no Idea, it is just their way of life. And does that make us right? We can never know if these people felt that what they did was wrong "somewhere deep down inside", because we do not know what people think. We can only assum that they were doing what they thought was morally right.
posted on July 5th, 2009, 11:45 pm
A horse by any other name is still a horse yes
Now your whittling it down to what is morality:
Definitions of morality on the Web:
concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong; right or good conduct
How do you define good and bad?
bad - definition of bad by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
so many definitions. Looking at it thaw morality it seems to be: 2. Evil; sinful. with sin is a modern religious term it had other definitions to such as 3. Vulgar or obscene: bad language.
So after that the modern used of morality is basted in religion.
and thats not its only application so then how do you see morality with out using morality as a standard to find it. one has to look out side what one know and look at things differently.
My local church priests told me sin is not good or evil it acutely means misted the mark in the original translation and has nothing to do with evil. I said what when he said this and he added that allot of what people judge as the modern paradigm of morality to color how they look at the bible.
If this is so that would mean that things on the ground at the time of the bible seemed different then we know them to be today.
So is our modern view correct on morality or the many others that have come and pasted?
Now your whittling it down to what is morality:
Definitions of morality on the Web:
concern with the distinction between good and evil or right and wrong; right or good conduct
How do you define good and bad?
bad - definition of bad by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
so many definitions. Looking at it thaw morality it seems to be: 2. Evil; sinful. with sin is a modern religious term it had other definitions to such as 3. Vulgar or obscene: bad language.
So after that the modern used of morality is basted in religion.
and thats not its only application so then how do you see morality with out using morality as a standard to find it. one has to look out side what one know and look at things differently.
My local church priests told me sin is not good or evil it acutely means misted the mark in the original translation and has nothing to do with evil. I said what when he said this and he added that allot of what people judge as the modern paradigm of morality to color how they look at the bible.
If this is so that would mean that things on the ground at the time of the bible seemed different then we know them to be today.
So is our modern view correct on morality or the many others that have come and pasted?
posted on July 6th, 2009, 12:04 pm
Again, you are being patronising. What gives you the right to talk down to people like this? Would you like me to get the dictionary definition of "arrogance" for you?
This "I'm right until I am proved wrong" attitude is just causing problems for yourself. This is a discussion forum, not an "i'm right, you're all wrong" forum. Understood?
The correct way to discuss a topic like this is to use words like "I believe [something]. What do you think?". Try using that method.
I've tried to explain this to you before. It's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's about learning to accept and understand that people have different views. It's about respecting other people. People will be a lot kinder and friendlier with you if you just show some respect, instead of barging in with this "I'm right about everything!" attitude.
Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting topic, as always, but if you continue with this attitude, every thread, however interesting, will end with an "ewm90 vs everyone" situation...
I'm just trying to help.
This "I'm right until I am proved wrong" attitude is just causing problems for yourself. This is a discussion forum, not an "i'm right, you're all wrong" forum. Understood?
The correct way to discuss a topic like this is to use words like "I believe [something]. What do you think?". Try using that method.
I've tried to explain this to you before. It's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's about learning to accept and understand that people have different views. It's about respecting other people. People will be a lot kinder and friendlier with you if you just show some respect, instead of barging in with this "I'm right about everything!" attitude.
Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting topic, as always, but if you continue with this attitude, every thread, however interesting, will end with an "ewm90 vs everyone" situation...
I'm just trying to help.
posted on July 6th, 2009, 11:35 pm
No I am not all I am saying is what is so.
Posts have no emotions attached so what ever your getting from this I can grantee you is not over here.
No its so until proven otherwise. I don't think in right and wrong.
What I believe dose not matter I don't matter what's important is that you get how Good bad right wrong is all an interpretation.
respecting can be taken to a hole new leave with out using morality, with out being wrong for not doing -blank- or right for doing bank you just did blank and blank has a impact that ether forwards what you where out to do or not.
Thank you for your contribution Atlantis.
Posts have no emotions attached so what ever your getting from this I can grantee you is not over here.
No its so until proven otherwise. I don't think in right and wrong.
What I believe dose not matter I don't matter what's important is that you get how Good bad right wrong is all an interpretation.
respecting can be taken to a hole new leave with out using morality, with out being wrong for not doing -blank- or right for doing bank you just did blank and blank has a impact that ether forwards what you where out to do or not.
Thank you for your contribution Atlantis.
Atlantis wrote:Again, you are being patronising. What gives you the right to talk down to people like this? Would you like me to get the dictionary definition of "arrogance" for you?
This "I'm right until I am proved wrong" attitude is just causing problems for yourself. This is a discussion forum, not an "i'm right, you're all wrong" forum. Understood?
The correct way to discuss a topic like this is to use words like "I believe [something]. What do you think?". Try using that method.
I've tried to explain this to you before. It's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's about learning to accept and understand that people have different views. It's about respecting other people. People will be a lot kinder and friendlier with you if you just show some respect, instead of barging in with this "I'm right about everything!" attitude.
Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting topic, as always, but if you continue with this attitude, every thread, however interesting, will end with an "ewm90 vs everyone" situation...
I'm just trying to help.
posted on July 6th, 2009, 11:55 pm
Why do people post off topic crap?
posted on July 7th, 2009, 12:12 am
ewm90 wrote:No I am not all I am saying is what is so.
Actually you are saying what you think is so, rather than what is so. You know no more than the rest of us. This is exactly what Atlantis is talking about. Please try and rephrase your posts in future to reflect this.
Something is not so until proven otherwise. It has to be proven first. Unrefutable proof is something that really only exists in pure mathematics, and even that breaks down at the fundamental level. Things are always being proven and disproven, so claiming you are right without any evidence and not even providing it as an opinion but a cold hard fact is just unacceptable from a scientific or logical point of view.
posted on July 7th, 2009, 12:16 am
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Well yes its so to me because there no other way it could be at the time.
There is not truth there just what is and what is, is, is because its what there is and what there is can be come some thing els if some thing els is found.
Phatome
Because we see some thing that fascinates us enlightens us or anger us and wont to learn more.
There is not truth there just what is and what is, is, is because its what there is and what there is can be come some thing els if some thing els is found.
Phatome
Because we see some thing that fascinates us enlightens us or anger us and wont to learn more.
posted on July 7th, 2009, 12:33 am
Yes, For now we can not read peoples minds...for now... 
So we can not know if people do the morally right thing on purpose, or if it is because it is what everyone else tells us is right, or it is written in our genetic code. All we can do is make an educated guess.
So we can not know if people do the morally right thing on purpose, or if it is because it is what everyone else tells us is right, or it is written in our genetic code. All we can do is make an educated guess.posted on July 7th, 2009, 12:37 am
Yes,
But don't try to add a interpretation to peoples behaviors and make it the truth people have a away of serpising you even the most perdictible people I find just take what they do as what they do because they do it as the best way to deal with people.
But don't try to add a interpretation to peoples behaviors and make it the truth people have a away of serpising you even the most perdictible people I find just take what they do as what they do because they do it as the best way to deal with people.
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