Morality distortion.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 12:50 am

Yes, there is always the person that will make his own reasoning, but we (or atleast I am) being generalistic. As I said, we can't read minds, so all we can do is interperate what we see as best we can, and there are always acceptations.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 12:54 am

Yes,

There is another distinction called filter where one see a person thew a distorted bit from ones past its hard to get in to on a forum and just make share you see your interpretations as interpretations.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 12:56 am

Espically, when we live in a world where the prefered form of speech is emotionless texting, rather than expressful speech.  It makes it hard to reed what people mean by what they say.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 12:45 pm

Exactly. It's not only "emotionless", but in many cases one person can interpret something in a different way to how another person would. This means that it's pretty much necessary to put as much reasoning into what you write on forums etc, to explain not only the message, but the way you're saying it. People can't see your facial expression, hand gestures, hear the tone of your voice, inflections, or see your thoughts, so it is very important, I think, to make everything as clear as possible. =)

I would like it to be clear that I have nothing against ewm90. In fact I find him one of the more interesting people here, and I will always read and value any opinion he has. All I was saying was that it needs to be CLEAR that it's an OPINION. But I was certainly not arguing with what he was saying. Anyway, in my opinion these kind of discussions help understanding, not just of the topic but of the people participating, and of people in general.

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On morality though, it is a tricky topic. It is possible that morality comes from religion... but it is also possible that religion comes from morality. It depends how you interpret it. The Bible, for example, can be interpreted as a book of events that really happened. Or it can be interpreted as guidelines... If you read between the lines, and look for the meanings BEHIND the stories in the Bible, you basically have guidelines for "how to live a 'good' life". This way is quite possible, as Christianity wasn't created all at once, and the Bible was written over the course of hundreds of years. There is a chance, in my opinion, that it was written to guide people who were "lost" to a path of a good moral life... And, to be honest, that is what it does.

I count myself as a Christian not because of believing the events really happened (as, for the most part, I don't), but because I believe in the way of life that Christianity promotes. The moral values, the respect and understanding for your fellow people, etc...

[ewm90]

posted on July 7th, 2009, 1:31 pm

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eeds to be CLEAR that it's an OPINION

Well for me its not a opinion its how it is and I can see its not that way for others.

Its clear to me, as clear as the sky is blue and the sky being blue is not my opinion it is the way it is for me. Now some one how is having non human eyes may disagree with me but for me its blue.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 1:57 pm

That's exactly what an opinion is.

A fact is the truth for everyone (scientifically proven). An opinion is the truth for yourself (from your own thoughts).

[ewm90]

posted on July 7th, 2009, 2:07 pm

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a opinion is a point of view that has that is a interpretation about some thing.

What I see it how it is for me witch is how it is no interpretation just excepting it for what it is.

I can see your struggling to understand what I mean when I say it is, It is because its just is no interpretation just excepting it.

The ground is hard because it is hard its not my opinion that its hard it just is and its not the truth it just is so to me at this time.

My head had hair on it because it has hair its not my opinion it just is because it is also not the truth.

grass is green because thats how it is not a opinion it just is, its all not the truth that its green that just how it is at this time it may be disprove but until that happens its green to me.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 2:31 pm

You can not say "MY view is fact. Everyone else's are opinions", because you are only seeing your own interpretation too. It's not like "there is hair on my head" or "the grass is green" because these ARE facts, they are scientifically provable.

It is not possible for any person to view something totally "neutrally". You ALWAYS see your own interpretation (to you, it's "neutral" because you see things according to your own view, but it is still an interpretation and still an opinion).

The reason I am "struggling to understand" your "non-interpreted view" is because your view IS an interpretation, same as everyone else's. Just because you can not see any other point of view does not mean there aren't any. In fact, in this thread there ARE other points of view, but you are just dismissing them as "incorrect". It's just arrogance.

Like this very topic, in fact. You're saying I'm "struggling to understand" this. That is an opinion. My opinion on the same thing is that you are refusing to understand MY (or anyone else's) point of view. That is also an opinion.

In this thread, I do agree with what you wrote about morality, but that is not the point of what I am saying. I have tried to explain in both posts here, as well as in other threads previously, that even if you are certain of what you BELIEVE, you really should be more courteous about how you talk to other people about it. Terms like "In my opinion", "I think", and "I believe" are just basic courtesy and respect. And when you say that I, in this example, am "struggling to understand" what you are saying lacks any respect at all.

Even if you could be "neutral" and say pure facts, you shouldn't. You're talking to PEOPLE on here, people with opinions, so you should try talking to us as such.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 2:53 pm

Not at all I remove all interpretation until there is just is no the truth or a fact just is how it is at that time.

Is it a interpretation to say most tree leaves are green is it a interpretation to say humans drink water or that dogs bark?

when some thing is scientifically provable its not a fact but a theory the same way of look at some think is at play when I say it is because it is.

The earth was flat and that was a fact in the past and no one was to challenge that if they did they where put in court and tried. To day ever thing is check and recheck over and over and could change to morrow that the thing about a theory and why we have them.

Say what so is like a theory in it could change tomorrow it is is until its not.

You can not say "MY view is fact. Everyone else's are opinions", because you are only seeing your own interpretation too. It's not like "there is hair on my head" or "the grass is green" because these ARE facts, they are scientifically provable.

It is not possible for any person to view something totally "neutrally". You ALWAYS see your own interpretation (to you, it's "neutral" because you see things according to your own view, but it is still an interpretation and still an opinion).

The reason I am "struggling to understand" your "non-interpreted view" is because your view IS an interpretation, same as everyone else's. Just because you can not see any other point of view does not mean there aren't any. In fact, in this thread there ARE other points of view, but you are just dismissing them as "incorrect". It's just arrogance.

Like this very topic, in fact. You're saying I'm "struggling to understand" this. That is an opinion. My opinion on the same thing is that you are refusing to understand MY (or anyone else's) point of view. That is also an opinion.

In this thread, I do agree with what you wrote about morality, but that is not the point of what I am saying. I have tried to explain in both posts here, as well as in other threads previously, that even if you are certain of what you BELIEVE, you really should be more courteous about how you talk to other people about it. Terms like "In my opinion", "I think", and "I believe" are just basic courtesy and respect. And when you say that I, in this example, am "struggling to understand" what you are saying lacks any respect at all.

Even if you could be "neutral" and say pure facts, you shouldn't. You're talking to PEOPLE on here, people with opinions, so you should try talking to us as such.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 3:08 pm

ewm, you are just not listening to us.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 3:15 pm

I do have a hard time reading its possible I am missing some thing what is it that I seem to be missing?

To be it sounds like you think I am stating a opinion and I am saying I am not just saying what's so.

What am I missing?

posted on July 7th, 2009, 3:36 pm

How do you know what is so anymore than us?

[ewm90]

posted on July 7th, 2009, 3:48 pm

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What "is" cant be any thing other then what it is when one takes all of the interpretation out of it. Having said that What is so can be disproven.

Diamonds are hard and can be used to cut glass that what so. There is no interpretation there its not that I think they cut glass they just do.

And I know to be so is not necessarily any more then you and I have bean looking at what's so for over a year.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 5:46 pm

EVERYTHING is perceived. In reality nothing is fact or undisputable. Grass is green? Are you sure? What makes you say that?
Your senses tell you that that macro sized collection of plant cells reflects a wavelength of what we call "visible light" in a domain that we pick up as the colour green.

That is an interpretation made by your brain. As is everything in the universe. You cannot think of something outside the confines of our own brain, because through it is the only way we can perceive the universe.

Final question, if we finally, irrefutably prove this to you, will you accept it? Or is this one of those arguments that is mainly for the benefit of the observers? (Trick question, is you see it )

[ewm90]

posted on July 7th, 2009, 7:05 pm

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Correct many people don't get that. to take that to another level things come to be in communication.

when you brake some thing down to its base level to the point where there nothing but it thats what I am talking about.

Say when I say the sky is blue the sky is not real just real to me and others that share my view.

You can go even further to the point where when every thing only is because I say to there nothing left its all empty and meaningless.