Jesus/vista

posted on April 22nd, 2007, 2:40 am

A. Good to know.

B. The vaccine's has bean in the use for a wile now and they wont know the health effects until its used with a large population. There is so much up role about unknown helth effects of this drug but people don't seem to care about the other drugs the FDA rubber stamps with even less testing.

Ummmm, no, it's not.  The vaccine is brand-spanking new.  If it had already been in widespread use, there would be far less controversy.

C. I have lost you....

I'm disappointed in you, ewm.  Are you saying that you don't know that the vaccine costs something like $375 for one shot?  And are you saying that you didn't put together how much $$$ Merck would pocket if this was MANDATORY?!  I'm surprised that you of all people are oblivious to Merck's obvious motivation: Greed.  Not health.  Greed.

2) In the south they do in serton areas.

True.

So you use the actions of the few to judge the many?

How heartless and unrealistic of you, ewm.

3) yep.

So, whats the big deal?

I am tiered and don't have as much time to go looking for links as I have in the past I ask you to prove me rong.

Perhaps clarifying your original point would help.

From Quote, Well when the cherech can tell the king what to do thats not weak.

That doesn't mean that it was Christian, and therefore that does not mean that it's even applicable to what you're using it for.

Well if you try to match most people that call them self Crichton to the 10 commencements I think you will find most don't qualify.

Have you forgotten about forgiveness?  You claim to have once been a Christian.  If you were, than you'd understand that it truly is the thought that counts, both positive and negative.  A fundamental doctrine put forth by Christ is that, if you truly repent in your heart, you will be forgiven.

Ironically, many people who call themselves "Christian" don't even know what it's about, and fail to understand that it's not about going to church every Sunday and trying to be a good person.

To but it in basic terms, I will simply use John 14:6.

"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Not if it violates separation of church and state.

I know this wasn't even to my post, but I can't resist.

Ewm, you do know that the only thing in the constitution referring the the "separation between church and state" only prohibits the establishment of a state religion (ie the church of england), right?

However, the constitution unequivocally guarantees the right to religious expression, right?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out what I'm saying, ewm.

[ewm90]

posted on April 22nd, 2007, 2:15 pm

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c. Thats god with out saying. I don't know what you are referring t I have lost the origins of this point.

2. Thats way I say some.

3. Lost the point.

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From Quote, Well it being a church and all and all the history books I have read say is was Crichton and this is the 1st time I have heard any kind of doubt about tham being Crichton.

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Well if God was to prates what he perches.  The bible is a very bloodthirsty book. and if most people in this grate contery of ours where forgive full our jails mite ashly reabilate people .

agreed. But some arnt evin good people many think its just about going to church  I fear it mite be most.

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LoL

If we did not have it I promise you this conteroy would go in to the dark ages so fast it would make your bible spin. I mean with people like pres Bush in this world how call them selves Conservative but nothing of what they do is what makes a conservative a conservative. conservative = conserve. They would warp things so in to a twisted mess.

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posted on April 22nd, 2007, 6:41 pm

For a while there, I couldn't figure out whether you were replying to my post or not.

I will try to intemperate your "rebuttal"(?!) and reply to your actual point rather than a mutual misunderstanding.

c. Thats god with out saying. I don't know what you are referring t I have lost the origins of this point.

The origin?

This is the origin:

B. The vaccine's has bean in the use for a wile now and they wont know the health effects until its used with a large population. There is so much up role about unknown helth effects of this drug but people don't seem to care about the other drugs the FDA rubber stamps with even less testing.

I am saying that you are wrong.  The vaccine is new.

2. Thats way I say some.

I'm not sure what you mean, so I'll simply reassert my point:  Merck is pushing this vaccine not out of the goodess of their hearts, but out of greed.

3. Lost the point.

Oh, come on, ewm.  Put some effort into it.

You said that certain churches in the south act as political soap-boxes.  I agree.  However, what I don't agree with is that you use the actions of those few churches to judge Christianity as a whole.

From Quote, Well it being a church and all and all the history books I have read say is was Crichton and this is the 1st time I have heard any kind of doubt about tham being Crichton.

*sigh*

We have already agreed that a Christian is one who lives his life to emulate Christ.

Do you honestly think that the "church" is those days tried as a whole to emulate Christ?!

No, even you can't be THAT ignorant...

Indeed, the church was wrapped up in mindless and pointless ritual.  Most had never even read the Bible.

Few, if any, had any basic understanding of who Christ is and what He taught.

I, for one, cannot call this "Christian".

Well if God was to prates what he perches.  The bible is a very bloodthirsty book. and if most people in this grate contery of ours where forgive full our jails mite ashly reabilate people .

agreed. But some arnt evin good people many think its just about going to church  I fear it mite be most.

From one who hasn't studied the Bible, I can see how it can be interpreted this way.

I encourage you to go to a scholar in the Bible and have him explain the context of these events.  I guarantee that if you go into it with an open mind, you will come out understanding how none of it is contradictory.

agreed. But some arnt evin good people many think its just about going to church  I fear it mite be most.

Indeed.  Something like 95-98%.  Only about 2% have a true understanding of what the Bible says.

If we did not have it I promise you this conteroy would go in to the dark ages so fast it would make your bible spin. I mean with people like pres Bush in this world how call them selves Conservative but nothing of what they do is what makes a conservative a conservative. conservative = conserve. They would warp things so in to a twisted mess.

I don't see what this has to do with my point.  What I was saying is that there is a balance in the Constitution.

I can go out in public and pray all I want and there is nothing against it in the Constitution.

posted on April 22nd, 2007, 8:05 pm

I was not ignoring you I just replayed to how ever replayed last because replaying take so darn long lol.

2. Merak is a corporation even know they are defined as a person they do not have a hart.

3. LOL I could make this a full time job.

Not true I am a cerintion if I like it or now and I go to church ones in a blue moon some church some what get it.

From Quote: I think they thot whey where as much as the conservative part buleave that they can abuse the creation community as much as thay wont to get votes.

Well maybe ones of these you will take of the bear goggles. That make every body look like their only motivation is to do good... Crupt positions lives for people like you. This is the true world we live in.

Meany people in the bible belt  are not all that knowledgeable about the bible.

Meany people to day are being lied to again by their religious leaders Jews/Cerictions/Muslims.

I for one cant call whats going on to day creation ether.

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I have a fogy understanding of the bible anuff to know its a relay bloody book with lots of hummer that was ration for a nether time its clear how ever made it did not intend for it to be any where as influentials as it is now. 

It may surprise you that I just resonantly took a introductory class on the book with my paster. My church http://www.stmarks.net/. From the class with the help of the paster I found how condory dictory the book is.

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agreed. - It will also surprise you that my dance instructor is going to seminary and is going to work as a missionary in Africa wile she is trained.

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Thar should not be a balents they should leave each other alone. 

posted on April 22nd, 2007, 8:45 pm

This is a placeholder post.  I'll make this into a reply when I have a chance.

[Prowannabe]

posted on April 23rd, 2007, 4:29 pm

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To make a quick rebuttal about ewm90, why can't you type correctly?  If you have a medical problem or something that is one thing but if you want to try to make a point across you should try to type it correctly so the people you are talking too knows what you are saying.  But back too the discussion at hand, I have studied a little about Christianity and a few other religions in my spare time and taken a few classes in ethics from each individual religion and you know what you find out if you look into just about any religion such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Buddhism?  They all have a central theme for what to do which is quoted from the Bible "Love thy neighbor as thyself".  O, and ewm90 if you think the Bible is too bloodthirsty you should go read it, forget trying to get in a class or something, if you really want to learn about a topic you know very little about you should just slowly read it, make notes, and find what it means too you because the Bible was not made to make everyone think a specific way.  The Bible was created on individual accounts compiled into one book and its purpose is to spread a state of being not a "religion" in a sense because the Bible is cryptic in many areas and different people interpret it in different ways but if you read the whole book and understand it than you will have a better understanding of not just Christianity but life as well.  To follow "Christianity" there is not one path that leads to God, there are many smaller paths because people are different and unique.  I'm not even a Christian; I'm agnostic, I have my values and I do know there is a God out there wherever there is but I don't know what God is.  But I also do not go to church that often but I try to live by my code of ethics, which somehow almost exactly coincide with the 10 commandments...  One other thing ewm90, what you stated in your last post doesn't make much sense because you first say that the religious leaders lie too you and everyone else but you go to a class led by a pastor, and religious leaders gain nothing for lying too you, maybe a little money but they don't gain anymore power if they lie too you, what you should be concerned about are people in politics, they know how to lie and they do all the time and when they give you a smile you should watch your back because that smile is created with teeth of knives.  If you want to find something that is bloodthirsty look into politics.

posted on April 23rd, 2007, 7:56 pm

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Spell checker only work well if you know which word on the list is correct and thats just if the word is close anuff to the world you are try to say. Some times I am in a harry and don't have the time to fix every thing. I am almost always close anuff to the word I am trying to say people can finger it out + its what you say not how you type it.

Well my paster of my chearch agrees that it is relay relay bloody and full of sultry jokes. But like any thing made in that area you must keep the time it was made in mind.

Love you nabber than commit mass genocide - Knowa and the ark, sodam and Gamora Bering entire city's populations to death, drowning army's parting of the sea, their Eberhame and Isac, and more.

posted on April 24th, 2007, 3:24 am

Ya, but it also helps to articulate what you say, but yes the Bible is a little gruesome in a few areas but if you understand the whole concept of it you know the blood and stuff is just what happened, not what it wants everyone to do; and there aren't really any jokes in it.  If you find a sultry joke in it please let me know.

posted on April 24th, 2007, 3:55 am

The bible is fiction there is know way god flooded the world but yet theres no evidents of a flood. There are many advents that correspond with advents cataloged in the bible. Yes the times the bible was set in was bloody if you check out the HBO seres Rome it will show you what kinda world Jesus came from.

Yes there are jokes all over it they do not make scents to us because they where made in a coacher that was so very very different from this. I do not remmiber them ut like I said thay may not a peer to us as a joke.

posted on April 24th, 2007, 5:58 am

So what is this all about please?
I've been watching this discussion for several days now, not to say from its beginning. Guys, you're arguing about religion which leads to what?

Well, ewm, if you regard religion as a curse and the Bible as a book written by bloodthirsty freaks, hardly anyone - presuming he or she is just tolerant enough - would try to prevent you from doing so.
But in the moment you let others know your thoughts you have to expect comments on that.

Now this is mine:
In the first instance religion is nothing to discuss about. Morals are. If you (ewm) want to tell us, you wanted to discuss the last mentioned, I suggest you try to find an explanation for everything posted here before not forgetting the title of this topic. Jesus is not morals. Jesus is religion.

If you tell us, ewm, the Bible is full of jokes but you can't remember even one of them and, however, times were so different from now that we wouldn't understand these jokes anyway, how serious do you think you can be taken?

If you want to wage a war against the Bible or any religion do it at home with your doors and windows shut and locked. But please stop that here!

It's insulting, unrespectful and an absolute waste of time.
If someone is a true believer you won't ever stop her or him from being which leads to one point: There is absolutely no sense in you arguing about religion or believs. If you want to discuss morals, please do so - but keep Jesus (or what religious figure ever) out of it. Please.

And a last note: Christians do not try to emulate Christ. Christians share the values, the morals Jesus lived. The Christian religion - at least in Europe - is never about becoming like God, it is about God revealing himself to us. So Christianity per se - fanatics, freaks and some cruel historic episodes aside - is far away from any claim of superiority and domination. Christianity is not about supplanting others. Christianity is about community with God and nothing more or less.

Thanks for reading.

posted on April 24th, 2007, 6:40 am

This thread is a contusion of a diction  that was in the wrong place which now lives in this tread. I have been hear for years and I try not to instolt people if I can. I think I have done a pretty good job. If you have a thin skin don't read this topic.

The conversations we have change from time to time so theirs no real good name. I gave it the name of the topic we where toking about at the time.

Well it was a wile ago I took the class. I don't have time nor do I wont to bother my paster over this.

Well 1st I am not waging war on the religion I am relay mad at the way it is used to day and in the past. + I am offering a option which I can not get the feed back like I get on here seeing I live in a place whare people share simaler blueffs. We are all adults here If this thread bothers you don't read it problem solved.

If you think its a wast of time why have you bean wasting 3 days reading it?
I am not trying to stop them I am trying to give them the information of how they are being abused and used like battery's by polatitions

I will not keep Jesus out of it. He is so inflinchal on the way my country think it is very necessary to talk about him.

Well they think they do at lest some of them and some of those people are incontroll of the most powerful in the wold.

Not where I live people wont to live in god image.

I which the way the EU  thought of god was the way US Crichton's thought of him but they are changing the the laws to fores other to live in the way they think we should live

God Bless

posted on April 24th, 2007, 6:51 am

I see you didn't really get my point. Whatever. What has Vista to do with it anyway?
Uhm, forget about it..

If your questioning the sanity of some people in the US and the way religion is abused there I fully agree with you.

posted on April 24th, 2007, 7:06 am

It was refrying to part of the original topic that was inappropriately located in a another thread. 

Yes I am but I would not say sanity I would say state of the way they thing tho.

[Redshirt]

posted on April 24th, 2007, 10:45 pm

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Forget the placeholder post...

I was not ignoring you I just replayed to how ever replayed last because replaying take so darn long lol.

No, I meant that I wasn't sure who's post you were addressing.

2. Merak is a corporation even know they are defined as a person they do not have a hart.

*sigh*

You KNOW what I mean, ewm...

Just because Merck is a corporation doesn't excuse a money-making ploy that could put children at risk!

3. LOL I could make this a full time job.

Indeed.  But you didn't actually address my point.

Now be kind and do so.

Not true I am a cerintion if I like it or now and I go to church ones in a blue moon some church some what get it.

I'm not sure what this was referring to.  If it's referring to the same thing as the previous quote, than it still didn't touch on my point.

From Quote: I think they thot whey where as much as the conservative part buleave that they can abuse the creation community as much as thay wont to get votes.

Umm, if you count that as "abuse", than every single person who appeals to any group for votes is an abuser.

Unfortunately, that means that every politician, political activist, every interest gruop, and every person even remotely involved with politics is guilty of abusing as well.

And that just doesn't fly.

Well maybe ones of these you will take of the bear goggles. That make every body look like their only motivation is to do good... Crupt positions lives for people like you. This is the true world we live in.

I'm sorry, but that made little sense, and none whatsoever if taken with the point that it's supposedly addressing.

Perhaps if you clarify what you mean I'll be able to reply.

"Bear goggles"??

Meany people in the bible belt  are not all that knowledgeable about the bible.

Ironic, isn't it?

However, of no relevance to any point we're discussing.

Meany people to day are being lied to again by their religious leaders Jews/Cerictions/Muslims.

Indeed they are.

Does that mean that every "religious leader" is a liar?

No.

I for one cant call whats going on to day creation ether.

Please clarify what you mean.


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I have a fogy understanding of the bible anuff to know its a relay bloody book with lots of hummer that was ration for a nether time its clear how ever made it did not intend for it to be any where as influentials as it is now. 

It may surprise you that I just resonantly took a introductory class on the book with my paster. My church http://www.stmarks.net/. From the class with the help of the paster I found how condory dictory the book is.

Is it contradictory?

Where?

If you would be kind enough to show me where you believe it to be contradictory, than I can show you what my opinion is on it.

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agreed. - It will also surprise you that my dance instructor is going to seminary and is going to work as a missionary in Africa wile she is trained.

To be perfectly honest, I'm more surprised that you're taking dance.

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Thar should not be a balents they should leave each other alone. 

That is a naïve opinion.

Quite simply, they can't.

As long as people complain about public displays of faith/religion (which is protected under the constitution) by saying that it violates the separation of church and state, than they can never "leave each other alone".

However, if people simply tolerated other's displays instead of making a fuss, that I suppose they could actually co-exist in peace.

Well my paster of my chearch agrees that it is relay relay bloody and full of sultry jokes. But like any thing made in that area you must keep the time it was made in mind.

I'm interested in knowing exactly how your pastor thinks a person can enter heaven.

You can tell me his opinion on that, can't you?

Love you nabber than commit mass genocide - Knowa and the ark, sodam and Gamora Bering entire city's populations to death, drowning army's parting of the sea, their Eberhame and Isac, and more.

The bible never puts down criteria for us to kill people.

That's God's job.  He created us, so it only follows that he can destroy us as well.

Well 1st I am not waging war on the religion I am relay mad at the way it is used to day and in the past. + I am offering a option which I can not get the feed back like I get on here seeing I live in a place whare people share simaler blueffs. We are all adults here If this thread bothers you don't read it problem solved.

I suppose I agree.  Many people have used religion for there own ends in the past and continue to do it today.

That's my I don't practice religion.

What I have is faith.  It's not about me, it's about Him.

I will not keep Jesus out of it. He is so inflinchal on the way my country think it is very necessary to talk about him.

ewm, I'm interested in hearing your opinion on the Bible verse John 3:16.  You will be kind enough to oblige me in this, won't you?

God Bless

May He bless you as well.


~Red

posted on April 24th, 2007, 11:39 pm

The difference between evolution and creationism/intelligent design is belief. ID and Creat. require belief in order to manifest in reality. Evolution just is, and will be even if nobody "believes" in it. Or maybe it's something completely different. Who knows? What I know is that facts are facts and beliefs are beliefs. The way they propose teaching ID as an alternative is... not wrong, but not actually scientific either. I won't say anything is wrong when I can help it, because if something happens, it doesn't matter if it's right or not.
Anyway, though... PCs rock if you know how to use them, and I haven't seen a Mac yet that I really liked (I've seen a few I haven't hated, mind you, but PC has Oblivion and WinAmp, so it wins my vote).
Certain groups of christians do shove beliefs down other people's throats. Not all of them do. The ones that try to ban homosexuality should be... *ahem* They are degrading to the human race and should be disqualified for trash talking. The ones who attack (literally) abortion clinics are terrorists and should be... I mean... shown the error of their ways. Sorry, I'm in a nasty mood about christian terrorists... Always have been, ever since reading Insomnia. Sometimes people in novels get off too easy (painless deaths for nasty delighting-in-evil killers? Bleh, excersise a Deus ex Machination, please, Stephen King. You can do it to kill your heroes, why not your villains?) .