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posted on April 2nd, 2007, 3:03 am

I believe it takes far more faith to believe that everything was formed out of a giant explosion than created by a supreme Being. No matter how hard scientists work to prove the Bible's account of creation wrong, the more evidence they find to the contrary. Most of what is still taught in elementary education science books was proven wrong decades ago and is no longer accepted by the scientific community.

Hearing others thoughts only solidifies what I hold to be true.

[ewm90]

posted on April 2nd, 2007, 6:11 am

Last edited by ewm90 on April 2nd, 2007, 6:32 am, edited 1 time in total.

Some of the comments posted here make me give up any hope for the fucher of the human race. Haw brain washed is USA I mean faith is one this but when faith be comes more real the the world around you thats not a religion its a colt. 

The way SOME religious people are so programed it can be called paranoid dlushanol scitsufrina. I can garinty that in 150y years from now if the human race is still around people well be shocked at how religion can tern grown sane people in to mental ill crazy people.

The world is not flat and theirs nothing in the bible that justify ignoring pore people or for that mader bashing gay people and so on.....

posted on April 7th, 2007, 6:35 pm

I know i'm going to hate myself for this but.....
Few things, one. I am a Christian, i have faith in Jesus Christ of Nazzareth NOT religion, i go to church weekly, i have also left church in mid service and told pastors they were wrong and on the edge of 'sin', in the days that followed i was proven right. Any thing can become a religion, "i religiously listen to music loud in my car" or "I religiously check this site for V3". a religion can be a cult. a cult dosnt see reason, it is blind and draining, it also is painful, been there done that. i almost hated God, but then i figured out it was stupid people not God.
Two, why do you (Ewm90, Other Christian bashers) ram your ideals down my throat? Why do i loose my job because i believe in something? why cant i be herd by my facts? why must you tell me how i must think? You want to teach people that they came from apes so be it, but at lest show my side as well, you will let your kids decide what they ware. when they ware it, who they marry , whether there gay, how long they love you, who they have sex with and how often, you let them decide all this but you cant let them decide between Evolution and Creationism? If it is so clear that Evolution is the right one then let them see it. my word, you sound like a hypocrite now.
Three, Mac and Pcs will become one, it is mandatory for the one world order. 

posted on April 7th, 2007, 8:05 pm

*whew*

This will be a big one.

@ Dirty Harry:

I believe it takes far more faith to believe that everything was formed out of a giant explosion than created by a supreme Being. No matter how hard scientists work to prove the Bible's account of creation wrong, the more evidence they find to the contrary. Most of what is still taught in elementary education science books was proven wrong decades ago and is no longer accepted by the scientific community.

Hearing others thoughts only solidifies what I hold to be true.

Well put.  For instance, Haeckel's embryo drawings, which were faked so that they would be more convincing.  It is obvious that Haeckel was willing to compromise science to prove a point, and it makes you wonder how much else of evolution suffers from similar faking...


@ ewm:

Some of the comments posted here make me give up any hope for the fucher of the human race. Haw brain washed is USA I mean faith is one this but when faith be comes more real the the world around you thats not a religion its a colt.

So what you say is to trust only in ourselves, because that is what we perceive everything through, and therefore trusting in anything else is foolish?

I'm sorry, ewm, but it's not faith that will end humanity, on the contrary, it's humanity's failure to trust that will destroy it, and looking down on those who do trust is a very, very foolish outlook.  No, ewm, it is I who am sorry for you.

Also, as per your previous comment that evolution is a proven fact, if it is, than you should be able to explain how life started, considering that the odds against it are in the realm of scientific impossibility.

Alas, ewm, spontaneous generation was also considered a fact, and if you know as much as you claim to, you will also know what happened to it.  If you are truly as open minded as you claim, then you will understand that this may very well be the same fate that awaits the theory of evolution.

The way SOME religious people are so programed it can be called paranoid dlushanol scitsufrina. I can garinty that in 150y years from now if the human race is still around people well be shocked at how religion can tern grown sane people in to mental ill crazy people.

This is true.  That is why I don't advocate a religion.  I don't even participate in one.  No, what I have is both a faith and a relationship, and is not decided by someone else for me, rather, it is something that I chose to trust in.

Oh, and I'm suprised that you believe that humanity will still be around in 150 years.

The world is not flat and theirs nothing in the bible that justify ignoring pore people or for that mader bashing gay people and so on.....

Of course the world isn't flat.  the Bible doesn't claim that it is.  Also, anyone who truly lives by the Word of God does not ignore the poor, and helps them instead.  Likewise, it is not a Cristian ideal to hold what someone does against them, and just because we believe that what they do is wrong does not give us the right to equate the person with the sin.


@ MJP:

I know i'm going to hate myself for this but.....
Few things, one. I am a Christian, i have faith in Jesus Christ of Nazzareth NOT religion, i go to church weekly, i have also left church in mid service and told pastors they were wrong and on the edge of 'sin', in the days that followed i was proven right. Any thing can become a religion, "i religiously listen to music loud in my car" or "I religiously check this site for V3". a religion can be a cult. a cult dosnt see reason, it is blind and draining, it also is painful, been there done that. i almost hated God, but then i figured out it was stupid people not God.
Two, why do you (Ewm90, Other Christian bashers) ram your ideals down my throat? Why do i loose my job because i believe in something? why cant i be herd by my facts? why must you tell me how i must think? You want to teach people that they came from apes so be it, but at lest show my side as well, you will let your kids decide what they ware. when they ware it, who they marry , whether there gay, how long they love you, who they have sex with and how often, you let them decide all this but you cant let them decide between Evolution and Creationism? If it is so clear that Evolution is the right one then let them see it. my word, you sound like a hypocrite now.
Three, Mac and Pcs will become one, it is mandatory for the one world order. 

Not much more to say to this, other than that I completely and wholeheartedly agree.

posted on April 19th, 2007, 9:29 pm

#2
A. Well I could retern the Q and reverse it. I feel under constant assolt from the crichtion orginisation and a SOME crichtion buleavers.

B. Be cuss its a fact most uther contrays laff at us becuss meny in the usa think its a lie.

C. You dont understand what I bleave I do have have limets to what I think is desint.

D. Well of cores if my kids are gay thay are gay and nuthing eany one can do about it. So i think it would be torcher to tray to tech tham uther wise. of cores thare is a a age that a kids brain cant make the desinstion, kids under the age of 18 brains have not developed anuff to make big destions like sex. But if thay are going to have it thare nuthing eany one can do I will just make shere that thay have the tools to pertect tham selfs.

E. If thay desined to be come a evagelical I will suport tham. I will suport tham on eany path thay wont to take. with in reson.

F. Well I hate to tell you the world is not flat.

3)
I t hink thay will become some thing far better than just make and PC I hope Mac PC and Linex will all merge at some pont.

I know i'm going to hate myself for this but.....
Few things, one. I am a Christian, i have faith in Jesus Christ of Nazzareth NOT religion, i go to church weekly, i have also left church in mid service and told pastors they were wrong and on the edge of 'sin', in the days that followed i was proven right. Any thing can become a religion, "i religiously listen to music loud in my car" or "I religiously check this site for V3". a religion can be a cult. a cult dosnt see reason, it is blind and draining, it also is painful, been there done that. i almost hated God, but then i figured out it was stupid people not God.
Two, why do you (Ewm90, Other Christian bashers) ram your ideals down my throat? Why do i loose my job because i believe in something? why cant i be herd by my facts? why must you tell me how i must think? You want to teach people that they came from apes so be it, but at lest show my side as well, you will let your kids decide what they ware. when they ware it, who they marry , whether there gay, how long they love you, who they have sex with and how often, you let them decide all this but you cant let them decide between Evolution and Creationism? If it is so clear that Evolution is the right one then let them see it. my word, you sound like a hypocrite now.
Three, Mac and Pcs will become one, it is mandatory for the one world order. 

posted on April 19th, 2007, 11:34 pm

Ewm, forgive me if i get this out of context to your post, it is rather confusing as i do not know what it is your addressing in each point.

Rebuttal to point A: Help me understand your term assault. for me it conotates a danger. if that is the case then i would ask what danger do they put you in? it must not be physical, for if it it were then you would call the cops, so it must be mental, in that case, what is it that you can loose? or have damaged? you already have a decency gage (point C).
Rebuttal to point B: i don't understand this. one, to what it is referring in the context and two, what do  we think is a lie?
Rebuttal to C: every one dose. some think that getting drunk every day is  good some don't. its normal  combat mind set.
Rebuttal to D: your point folds itself. the first sentence is negated by the second. your last sentence how ever has some merit.  but then if you only hand them the screwdrivers to use they will never understand the hammer?
Rebuttal to E: Champion, but reason is a variable, if one were to shoot some one in say hate then it is unreasonable if in defense reasonable.  Soon i fear that people will be telling me that my faith is unreasonable and terminate me. 
Rebuttal to F: this is cold ewm, the idea that you wold use this is just...well wrong. I have not thrown out science, i am using it. im not antiquated im on the same level as you, i just have a different faith then you. treat me with some respect, as i have shown you.

if Linex merges we would loose open source that means out side control and money flow.

posted on April 20th, 2007, 12:12 am

A. Bush and this Justis departent thats cutting down abortion now. Basicy forceing thare will and vowie on uthers Like blocking the vaccine in Texas, thare is the case cherchis asking like campane offices - The Justis department is the cops.... I just have to what a another 2 years. Your right I do thats what makes me different.

B. (I am referring to creationism) Have you ever asked your self why the EU is desecuralized and why the USA is loosing bleevers all the time....

C. Well I disagree. But that is a debate I dont think is winnable.

D. I dont see it that way. What I was trying to say will is seems I failed to do so is: If some one is gay thay are gay and their not a darn thing that can be done or should be done. Well I am glad that we can agree on some thing  I understand the metifor. I do not understand what you are referring to.

E. I think its unresaule. But I repect that you bleave in it. 

F. I think its a good pont. I mean the words most unproductive time is the dark ages when crichanaty was at its strongest point. What hapined in that time some of the darkest evints in history.

I respect you my post was to try to try to show you how upsered the things religion makes people think really are. I intened no disrepect and am sorry if you fout it offisive it was not meant in a offensive way.

Ewm, forgive me if i get this out of context to your post, it is rather confusing as i do not know what it is your addressing in each point.

Rebuttal to point A: Help me understand your term assault. for me it conotates a danger. if that is the case then i would ask what danger do they put you in? it must not be physical, for if it it were then you would call the cops, so it must be mental, in that case, what is it that you can loose? or have damaged? you already have a decency gage (point C).
Rebuttal to point B: i don't understand this. one, to what it is referring in the context and two, what do  we think is a lie?
Rebuttal to C: every one dose. some think that getting drunk every day is  good some don't. its normal  combat mind set.
Rebuttal to D: your point folds itself. the first sentence is negated by the second. your last sentence how ever has some merit.  but then if you only hand them the screwdrivers to use they will never understand the hammer?
Rebuttal to E: Champion, but reason is a variable, if one were to shoot some one in say hate then it is unreasonable if in defense reasonable.  Soon i fear that people will be telling me that my faith is unreasonable and terminate me. 
Rebuttal to F: this is cold ewm, the idea that you wold use this is just...well wrong. I have not thrown out science, i am using it. im not antiquated im on the same level as you, i just have a different faith then you. treat me with some respect, as i have shown you.

if Linex merges we would loose open source that means out side control and money flow.

posted on April 20th, 2007, 1:34 am

A: I wont touch the Bush note as i am not as versed as i once was on politics. I will on campaign churches, i am assuming your talking about money grabbing ones, if not  then ones that think that  the crusades were of God, they weren't. I don't like them ether, i refer you to my first post on this thread, first parigrafe.

B: i don't know what desecuralized means.

C:lol aye but so important.

D:You did not fail in telling me what you ment. you just contradicted your self by saying.

of cores thare is a a age that a kids brain cant make the desinstion, kids under the age of 18 brains have not developed anuff to make big destions like sex.

That would conotate nurture not nature, if that is the case then the end can be modified. It is unfortunate that any studies on this matter have all been biased.  I think that i was not clear in my metafor it was not the right one to use. what i mean to say is that you give them choice and show them things but give no guidance. power with out structure is deadly, likewise structure without power is also deadly.

E:what do you find unreasonable? my faith? many do. many laugh at me, many tell me im an idiot, many tell me im stupid, many tell me im a tool, some dont let me have work, some dont let me be me, some try to change me, fix me, bend me. Yet im the one that smiles when i go home, im the one that is there to help them first when they need it, im the one that they trust when they need trust. they will hand me hundreds to hold on to for them because im 'good' yet they still call me a fool. that dosnt stand to reason.

F: LOL
Since 1845 16 million members added, 3,000-plus missionaries in 94 countries by 1980 and 30,000 volunteers in 2000.  http://www.imb.org/core/aboutus.asp http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/
27 countries http://www.abaptist.org/general.html
this site is hard to navigate but, http://www.nazarene.org/Default.aspx
that there is three different denominations that are working. Our greatest time is now, not then. no were near then. its just all you hear because no one wants to hear it.
Some of the work that is done cant be told about on the internet  because  the people in the countries could be killed for it. yet churches grow and people believe.  not by force. 
I understand what you were saying now, not hurt any more.

posted on April 20th, 2007, 2:22 am

A. I am toking about churches that are and where dering the 2002 elections telling there congrations to vote for Bush. Thare was alot more to the dark ages than just the crusades as bad as they where.

B. probably because I miss spieled it I meant no longer relisus"

C.mmm

D. I give tham gidents I tell tham its rong and why but I dont for a second asome thay understand or take my advise. The thing with kids you will learn to many rules ends up in rebeluse behaver but to littal stucher can lead to being spoiled you need to have a balense. - in uther words I agree.

E. I find the way the faith is handled, vowed, and used to justify so many abuses. 

F. But lost many in the USA and the EU Christianity is moving to Africa and many other devliping conterys. Your links did not say how many where lost.... That last link reminded me of a colts web page the colt is called the family: http://www.thefamily.org/  http://www.nazarene.org/Default.aspx The faily was formed from a crichen brainch that was kicked out of the religion be cause of their belefes  wich include peta fela and a form of prostitution- they send woman and men out to have sex in exchange you much jone ower church.  Evin the crazy DR phill http://drphil.com/shows/show/591 has done a episodee on it. http://www.exfamily.org/index.htm a sick spin off.

posted on April 20th, 2007, 8:07 pm

Whoo, this will be a long one and I'm not sure I can do it all in one go, but here it is anyway.

For the sake of time, I will only be responding to ewm's posts (or something completely outrageous that somebody else said).

A. Bush and this Justis departent thats cutting down abortion now. Basicy forceing thare will and vowie on uthers Like blocking the vaccine in Texas, thare is the case cherchis asking like campane offices - The Justis department is the cops.... I just have to what a another 2 years. Your right I do thats what makes me different.

1) ewm, I live in Texas, and I know more about it than you do.

A. The vaccine hasn't even been tested on teenage and preteen girls, so for all we know the side effect could be terrible.

B. It hasn't even been proven effective among the target age group.

C. It's nothing more that a moneymaking scheme my those grinches at Merck.

2) No churches almost NEVER act like campaign offices.  Put down the kool-aid, ewm.

3) Umm, the cops are part of the Justice department.  Heck, the JD IS THE COPS.

B. (I am referring to creationism) Have you ever asked your self why the EU is desecuralized and why the USA is loosing bleevers all the time....

You realize that "desecularized" means that it is NOT secular, right?

Anyway, there's no way that you can make a connection between that and any other point and still draw a conclusion based on the information presented that is applicable to anything.

F. I think its a good pont. I mean the words most unproductive time is the dark ages when crichanaty was at its strongest point. What hapined in that time some of the darkest evints in history.

I absolutely and entirely disagree.

Christianity was actually at its weakest.

A Christian is defined as someone who tries to emulate Christ.  Not many people could rightfully claim that during the times you speak of.


Post 2:

A. I am toking about churches that are and where dering the 2002 elections telling there congrations to vote for Bush. Thare was alot more to the dark ages than just the crusades as bad as they where.

So pastors aren't entitled to their political opinion?

E. I find the way the faith is handled, vowed, and used to justify so many abuses.

Indeed, faith has been used to justify terrible things in the past; but so has science.  Yet you don't have a problem with science.

Two things, similar situations, yet you only hold it against one of them.  Why?

F. But lost many in the USA and the EU Christianity is moving to Africa and many other devliping conterys. Your links did not say how many where lost.... That last link reminded me of a colts web page the colt is called the family: http://www.thefamily.org/  http://www.nazarene.org/Default.aspx The faily was formed from a crichen brainch that was kicked out of the religion be cause of their belefes  wich include peta fela and a form of prostitution- they send woman and men out to have sex in exchange you much jone ower church.  Evin the crazy DR phill http://drphil.com/shows/show/591 has done a episodee on it. http://www.exfamily.org/index.htm a sick spin off.

The situation is to early and obscure to be making any rash judgments on it, and I know that you know that, ewm.  So I won't patronize you.  Nothing can be determined, so I'll leave it alone.

posted on April 21st, 2007, 4:26 am

A. Good to know.

B. The vaccine's has bean in the use for a wile now and they wont know the health effects until its used with a large population. There is so much up role about unknown helth effects of this drug but people don't seem to care about the other drugs the FDA rubber stamps with even less testing.

C. I have lost you....

2) In the south they do in serton areas.

3) yep.

From Quote, Yes.

I am tiered and don't have as much time to go looking for links as I have in the past I ask you to prove me rong.

From Quote, Well when the cherech can tell the king what to do thats not weak.

Well if you try to match most people that call them self Crichton to the 10 commencements I think you will find most don't qualify.

Post 2:
From Quote,

Not if it violates separation of church and state.

From Quote,

Like what????? Sients is not about justifying its about proving or disproving.

Be cuss that one is efecting meny peoples lives in negitvly and actively.

From Quote,

Well thats what we are seeing a a growing terind. and Its has ben going on for over 30y now.

posted on April 21st, 2007, 8:34 pm

Id just like to say that a PASTOR is here to teach us the word of GOD.  so, if GOD says abortions are evil then it is part of the PASTORS  JOB to tell us to vote for the anti-abortion canidate.  otherwise they would be hypocrittes.  they would be picking and choosing the parts that they like in the bible and you can't do that.  it's all or nothing bud.

P.S. "ABORTION IS MURDER"-GOD

posted on April 22nd, 2007, 12:29 am

Wen did GOD ever say abortion is evil? I think you need to read the bible again. Thar is a good reason why their is a separation of chearch ans state with out it democracy would not be posabule.

posted on April 22nd, 2007, 12:56 am

abortion is the same as murder.  what  is the 6th commandment?-thou shall not KILL.
a fetus is alive, destroying it is killing it which violates the ten commandments
p.s.Don't tell ME to read the bible when I do every night.  when was the last time YOU went to church EWM?

posted on April 22nd, 2007, 2:09 am

Guys, please stop, its messed up to talk about something like that in here, but btw abortion is in a sense killing something that is alive, for something to be alive it needs to have some sort of intelligence to have the capacity of its own existence which is a little tricky because true a fetus isn't a full grown human being but it has the capability of becoming a human being.  To say abortion isn't murder is saying smashing a rare birds egg with your foot isn't killing that bird; which last I checked smashing a rare birds egg is murder in the United States... and on another note if there is a car accident and if one of the victims is a fetus the person responsible will be brought up on murder charges for killing that fetus so yes killing a fetus is against the law .  I hate politics because all it is the top of the food chain manipulating the lessors in a game of power; Democrats lie, Republicans lie, everyone lies to gain power, that is a fact...Like the quote "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" so if you think your "side" is telling you facts you are just naive and stupid, and just stop talking now because what you say about ethics and morals are just lies from your "idols."  Ewm90 please stop talking or should I say typing...about stuff you don't really know because all you say against other people are the lies and half truths from your "idols" so if you want to join in a disagreement such as this please bring real evidence and cognitive thought in your presentation of your side or all you are saying is just unsupported filth ; sorry I'm a little testy with you it just gets me that all Ive seen from most posts about politics and other polar topics from a lot of people, don't bring anything that can actually be substantiated like an educational journal or something that isn't profiting from politics in the least.  But back to the main topic, abortion is killing someone or something, whatever you prefer to call a fetus, not because its a full grown human being but because it will become a human being with a mind and soul just like any of us.  But in a few instances I believe abortion should be allowed at least to the women are violated and have a child or medical difficulties that could lead to the great pain or death of the mother .  I can comprehend to some of the girls that this happens too, I would also be afraid of what would happen.  So abortion is killing someone      under the law to a degree and within 5-10 years it will be finalized but I can also imagine what the girl or women in question is thinking and feeling so it would be correct in both instances.  And please don't bring religion in this just yet, it might be wrong or right I doubt anyone really knows.  Just my two cents, or should I say two dollars... Almost forgot, about ewm90's last statement about the seperation of church and state, that is actually a misconception because if the seperation of church and state was true then only white males would have the right to vote, blacks would still be in slavery, there would be no immigration into the United States, there would be no religion, and actually there wouldn't be much of a democracy.  Have you seen the back of the $1 bill?  Do you know what the eye on the top of the pyramid means?  The eye on the top stands for the all knowing eye of God.  There are so many instances of Christianity in our government you have no idea and all these instances has helped in the past, is helping now, and will help us in the future to create a bastion of freedom and liberty for all that want it.  This is way too long...again.