GUNS!
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posted on January 16th, 2006, 7:54 pm
lol was einstein shot too?
posted on January 16th, 2006, 7:57 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on January 16th, 2006, 8:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
i was tring to prove a pont. ovisy i have not.
if his mind was closed by belief the world whood have ben difrent.
if his mind was closed by belief the world whood have ben difrent.
posted on January 16th, 2006, 11:23 pm
Well this sucks, imageshack is down...
Oh, yeah, the topic
I get what it means, I just don't see what is has to do with this topic
Oh, yeah, the topic
I get what it means, I just don't see what is has to do with this topic
posted on January 16th, 2006, 11:29 pm
the link i was tringto make wich it apeers was very uncleer was when you have your minde stuck on one idea it makes it realy hard to get a nuther thow it.
guns = good. a fores feeld gose up pertected form negitve information.
guns = bad sinser are depolyed picking up new information agnitve and posatibe.
guns = good. a fores feeld gose up pertected form negitve information.
guns = bad sinser are depolyed picking up new information agnitve and posatibe.
posted on January 16th, 2006, 11:36 pm
ok, I see
posted on January 17th, 2006, 7:32 am
i thought i had it, but now i'm just confused. 
posted on January 17th, 2006, 3:44 pm
re-read it several times. Eventually, either you'll get it, or your brains will blow out. 
posted on January 17th, 2006, 5:01 pm
Last edited by [TD]Roach on January 17th, 2006, 5:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
well what about you ewm
president or any american crap/blunder= you agree and try to get you to the your federation.
president is good = shields up, think that the enemy is 10 times worse then the borg and try to try to force the enemy that the federation is the way to go
btw for the normal people: ewm said:
if something is stated on this topic that guns are good. all you people get very protective about it.
if something is stated in the topic that guns are bad, then all you people try to find inforamtion to show that guns are good.
his point he is trying to make is that we are tooo one sided and that we aren't accepting any other comments about it. BUT EWM you are 10 times worse. you are repeating yourself with a mantra and you aren't getting it to your brain that guns aren't bad but the people using it. IT IS THAT CLEAR. all you want to do is make people into sheep by creating some weird contraptions to protect people from themselves. well wake up but people make mistakes and some bad ones. you can't protect that. making mistakes is part of evolution. that is how a society evolves. a baby learns best if it put its hand in the flame and feel that it is hot. not by pushing the baby away from the flame every second. because he will find ways to explore the hot thing. but after he finds out that the flame is bad he won't do it again. it is that simple. IT IS THAT SIMPLY PUT
president or any american crap/blunder= you agree and try to get you to the your federation.
president is good = shields up, think that the enemy is 10 times worse then the borg and try to try to force the enemy that the federation is the way to go
btw for the normal people: ewm said:
if something is stated on this topic that guns are good. all you people get very protective about it.
if something is stated in the topic that guns are bad, then all you people try to find inforamtion to show that guns are good.
his point he is trying to make is that we are tooo one sided and that we aren't accepting any other comments about it. BUT EWM you are 10 times worse. you are repeating yourself with a mantra and you aren't getting it to your brain that guns aren't bad but the people using it. IT IS THAT CLEAR. all you want to do is make people into sheep by creating some weird contraptions to protect people from themselves. well wake up but people make mistakes and some bad ones. you can't protect that. making mistakes is part of evolution. that is how a society evolves. a baby learns best if it put its hand in the flame and feel that it is hot. not by pushing the baby away from the flame every second. because he will find ways to explore the hot thing. but after he finds out that the flame is bad he won't do it again. it is that simple. IT IS THAT SIMPLY PUT
posted on January 17th, 2006, 9:23 pm
popinon is not a fact. just becuss alot of pepal agree on some thing duss not meen thay are right [TD]Roach.
well what kind of parint would you be if you let you baby put his hand in fier?
ummm... my parints did not let me put mu hands in fier and i terned out ok...
i repect my self be cuss the same anser apliy to ment difrant staments.
but serisly [TD]Roach if what you are saying that if we let guns be ligal for a wile pepal will come arwond and reject tham later....
well we have had guns sins the berther of the united state of america and things are getting wers not better.
well what kind of parint would you be if you let you baby put his hand in fier?
ummm... my parints did not let me put mu hands in fier and i terned out ok...
i repect my self be cuss the same anser apliy to ment difrant staments.
but serisly [TD]Roach if what you are saying that if we let guns be ligal for a wile pepal will come arwond and reject tham later....
well we have had guns sins the berther of the united state of america and things are getting wers not better.
posted on January 18th, 2006, 1:03 am
popinon is not a fact. just becuss alot of pepal agree on some thing duss not meen thay are right
I believe that you just said that democracy is a flawed form of goverment.
posted on January 18th, 2006, 3:51 am
thats not what i ment.
but it is true democracy has flaws like all forms of gomerment.
but it is true democracy has flaws like all forms of gomerment.
posted on January 18th, 2006, 5:22 am
Last edited by [TD]Roach on January 18th, 2006, 6:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
it was an example EWM try to understand that. you still don't have have your parents now around you telling you what is right and wrong. that is the point i am making. ASk YOURSELF THAT QUESTION WHY THEY AREN'T DOING THAT? you can't have that in a government where you have police patrolling the streets checking if every person has the safety lock on the gun. that is insane. history shows that a society learns from mistakes. see nuke bomb or WW2 or the whole enslavement of africa. People need to learn how to be responsible.
and this is not an oppion:
the earth is round. (and alot of people agree with me) also a fact is
gun aren't bad but the people using it are.
because guns are tools. A gun can't have a concept of right or wrong or can do anything themselves to make things right or wrong. people using a gun makes things justifiable or not. same with car crashes. you don't start saying the car is bad. no the person who drove into the other person is bad. DOESN'T that make any sence to you? that is why there are those drving schools for people who lost their licence for something like that.
THAT is what i am saying. And some things can have a better effect if it is legal. then atleast people know it is not right. see drug laws here. not alot of dutch people here are drug users and there isn't even a rise after that law. but then again i am not stating that we should legalise guns so that you can buy one in a toy store. SO READ CAREFULL what i am saying. it is true that the laws in the US is very strick on having guns and they are good. just like those for alchohol.
but you CAN'T forsee in the future what a person is going to do. Why aren't you complaing that the drinking alcohol should be raised to 30 year old instead of 21 then? I don't hear you complaing about that even if alot of people die around that age of drunken related accidents.
I tell you WHY, because they are adults. Can you imagine the court case? an adult saying to the judge well, my mother or the company selling alcohol didn't state that i could get drunk when i had a little of this. That is only an american phenomenom where people sue a company because it wasn't stated on the spoon that if you put it in a magnetron that it explodes or why they don't place warnings on lightbulbs not to eat them because of serious wounds in the mouth. IT IS COMMON SENCE and THEIR OWN RESPONSIBILITY IF THEY DO SO.
So what people do when they are an ADULT is their own responsibility. that is how things work. that is how a person learns and how people can change over time to make the right choices.
NOW, does that sound totally WEIRD to you? or should we all become mamma's boys and holding her hand 24/7.
OK so now you are possibly thinking. but they did something bad how do we correct that. may I introduce THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. a court is there for to give punishments to people when they did something wrong.... Kinda like what a mother and father does when you where a kid. now if you break some of those rules. those judges put you in the cell where you can think of what you have done or be rehabilitated or what ever is nessacary to be done to keep you on the right track. Same as being sent to your room.
and this is not an oppion:
the earth is round. (and alot of people agree with me) also a fact is
gun aren't bad but the people using it are.
because guns are tools. A gun can't have a concept of right or wrong or can do anything themselves to make things right or wrong. people using a gun makes things justifiable or not. same with car crashes. you don't start saying the car is bad. no the person who drove into the other person is bad. DOESN'T that make any sence to you? that is why there are those drving schools for people who lost their licence for something like that.
THAT is what i am saying. And some things can have a better effect if it is legal. then atleast people know it is not right. see drug laws here. not alot of dutch people here are drug users and there isn't even a rise after that law. but then again i am not stating that we should legalise guns so that you can buy one in a toy store. SO READ CAREFULL what i am saying. it is true that the laws in the US is very strick on having guns and they are good. just like those for alchohol.
but you CAN'T forsee in the future what a person is going to do. Why aren't you complaing that the drinking alcohol should be raised to 30 year old instead of 21 then? I don't hear you complaing about that even if alot of people die around that age of drunken related accidents.
I tell you WHY, because they are adults. Can you imagine the court case? an adult saying to the judge well, my mother or the company selling alcohol didn't state that i could get drunk when i had a little of this. That is only an american phenomenom where people sue a company because it wasn't stated on the spoon that if you put it in a magnetron that it explodes or why they don't place warnings on lightbulbs not to eat them because of serious wounds in the mouth. IT IS COMMON SENCE and THEIR OWN RESPONSIBILITY IF THEY DO SO.
So what people do when they are an ADULT is their own responsibility. that is how things work. that is how a person learns and how people can change over time to make the right choices.
NOW, does that sound totally WEIRD to you? or should we all become mamma's boys and holding her hand 24/7.
OK so now you are possibly thinking. but they did something bad how do we correct that. may I introduce THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. a court is there for to give punishments to people when they did something wrong.... Kinda like what a mother and father does when you where a kid. now if you break some of those rules. those judges put you in the cell where you can think of what you have done or be rehabilitated or what ever is nessacary to be done to keep you on the right track. Same as being sent to your room.
posted on January 18th, 2006, 12:24 pm
well the govemts job is to set limets and to balints pros and cones than to pass a jugment.
thare is no reson why the jonral population whould need a gun uther than hunting.
guns are a wepond that hearts pepal. and roach it is the govements job to tell you what to do that is the hole perpuse of haveing a govemt to pertect its population and thay cant do that well with weponds of war on the streets.
we should not have guns on the street for the same reson we dont let pepal have uranium privitly.
a tarist can do as much damge with a gun shouting spree as a bomb.
roach
thats not how things work in the real warld roach. i take it you are asooming evry one is good at hart... thats very sweet to think that but thats not how things are.
thare is no reson why the jonral population whould need a gun uther than hunting.
guns are a wepond that hearts pepal. and roach it is the govements job to tell you what to do that is the hole perpuse of haveing a govemt to pertect its population and thay cant do that well with weponds of war on the streets.
we should not have guns on the street for the same reson we dont let pepal have uranium privitly.
a tarist can do as much damge with a gun shouting spree as a bomb.
roach
So what people do when they are an ADULT is their own responsibility. that is how things work. that is how a person learns and how people can change over time to make the right choices.
thats not how things work in the real warld roach. i take it you are asooming evry one is good at hart... thats very sweet to think that but thats not how things are.
posted on January 18th, 2006, 1:17 pm
Last edited by [TD]Roach on January 18th, 2006, 1:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
ARGH! MAN, YOU REALLY NEED GLASSES.
Do you know what responsability means?
The dictionary:
1. The state, quality, or fact of being responsible.
2. Something for which one is responsible; a duty, obligation, or burden
a person is responsable of his or hers own action. wheather it is good or bad. that is responsability. so if you are the only person who saved the world from a meteor. you are responsible for that. if you destroyed the world you are also responsible for that.
haven't you even heard that at your job? You are responsible for your own actions within the company? SHOULD ring a bell. Same rules apply in a society.
And the goverment made already laws for guns. i think killing someone with a gun is an offence and is stated in the law. and a government isn't there telling you what to do because that is communism. a govemerment is there is develop a country to better itself economically, socially and other things.
I would get freaking insane if i where ordered around what to do 24/7. Imagine the government telling you what might go wrong with every action that you or I make. You will be hearing.. don't forget, wash your hands everytime you use the toilet or you might get sick. or everytime you cross over you hear from soneone tell you: "don't forget, use the zebra and no jay walking always look from left to right. "
that is the kind of things you want to impose on guns. that is impossible. give a bit of respect to the people of your own country.
Why do you think there are things like drugdealers. do you think they blame the government that they turned out that way? NO, they knew what drugs did to them they where informed about it at school. But they where curious tried it and ruined their life. Murderers, knew from an early age that killing was bad. but they made that choice. Homeless people didn't want to finnish their school. WHY? because most of them found it boring or other lame excuse. BUT they all MADE A CHOICE AND WHERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTION. The outcome.. one is a drug addict, other is homeless and the other in JAIL.
if you still don't understand then you really need to learn english again or try to looking it up and translate it in your own native language.
I am certainly I am not living in some hippy crap world because NO GOVERNMENT OR ANY OTHER PERSON can protect people from his own decisions (and from that decicion comes RESPONSABILITY) even if it is for the worst or best. Unless you are the first person that always did what you've been told to do, never said no to a single person and never made a choice without consulting someone.
Because if you made a bad choice like blowing someone house up. You will get accounted for that. people aren't that good in nature that they will say i forgive you. That person is then responsable for that action and measures will be taken to get him into jail.
I can't state it more simplisticly for you then that EWM.
Are you actively just pulling my leg here and trying to get me annoyed by pretending that you don't understand what i am saying or do you really don't understand what i am saying?
Do you know what responsability means?
The dictionary:
1. The state, quality, or fact of being responsible.
2. Something for which one is responsible; a duty, obligation, or burden
a person is responsable of his or hers own action. wheather it is good or bad. that is responsability. so if you are the only person who saved the world from a meteor. you are responsible for that. if you destroyed the world you are also responsible for that.
haven't you even heard that at your job? You are responsible for your own actions within the company? SHOULD ring a bell. Same rules apply in a society.
And the goverment made already laws for guns. i think killing someone with a gun is an offence and is stated in the law. and a government isn't there telling you what to do because that is communism. a govemerment is there is develop a country to better itself economically, socially and other things.
I would get freaking insane if i where ordered around what to do 24/7. Imagine the government telling you what might go wrong with every action that you or I make. You will be hearing.. don't forget, wash your hands everytime you use the toilet or you might get sick. or everytime you cross over you hear from soneone tell you: "don't forget, use the zebra and no jay walking always look from left to right. "
that is the kind of things you want to impose on guns. that is impossible. give a bit of respect to the people of your own country.
Why do you think there are things like drugdealers. do you think they blame the government that they turned out that way? NO, they knew what drugs did to them they where informed about it at school. But they where curious tried it and ruined their life. Murderers, knew from an early age that killing was bad. but they made that choice. Homeless people didn't want to finnish their school. WHY? because most of them found it boring or other lame excuse. BUT they all MADE A CHOICE AND WHERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN ACTION. The outcome.. one is a drug addict, other is homeless and the other in JAIL.
if you still don't understand then you really need to learn english again or try to looking it up and translate it in your own native language.
I am certainly I am not living in some hippy crap world because NO GOVERNMENT OR ANY OTHER PERSON can protect people from his own decisions (and from that decicion comes RESPONSABILITY) even if it is for the worst or best. Unless you are the first person that always did what you've been told to do, never said no to a single person and never made a choice without consulting someone.
Because if you made a bad choice like blowing someone house up. You will get accounted for that. people aren't that good in nature that they will say i forgive you. That person is then responsable for that action and measures will be taken to get him into jail.
I can't state it more simplisticly for you then that EWM.
Are you actively just pulling my leg here and trying to get me annoyed by pretending that you don't understand what i am saying or do you really don't understand what i am saying?
posted on January 18th, 2006, 1:39 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on January 18th, 2006, 1:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
but if some one is shot and killed he paiy with his life be cuss guns are legal that is not exstibal and i unresponsable to think the problom will just sove its self.
but the person how is shot with a gun paiy with his life for doing nuthing rong.
and not evry body has the abillity to jug right from rong thay dont lern from thare mistakes.
but the person how is shot with a gun paiy with his life for doing nuthing rong.
and not evry body has the abillity to jug right from rong thay dont lern from thare mistakes.
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