GUNS!

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Question: who likes guns

Total votes: 34
everyone shood have guns (duh)6 votes (18%)
ugh guns are bad14 votes (41%)
dond realy care2 votes (6%)
havent thought about it0 votes (0%)
i like automatic weapons8 votes (24%)
Gunz=fun4 votes (12%)
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posted on January 14th, 2006, 11:33 pm
guns don't kill people, WITH GUNS....

I keep going back to it be cuss its the truth.

and puting picher of pepal how have ben killed with guns is the most efective agument i can make.
posted on January 14th, 2006, 11:35 pm
Take away public access to ammo, and then the only way they'll kill someone with a gun is to hit 'em on the head with it!
posted on January 14th, 2006, 11:37 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on January 14th, 2006, 11:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
bultits are easy to make.

you need to disabule guns compleetly.

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in the news to day:

Lawyer: Teen Shot by Police Brain Dead By KELLI KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer
33 minutes ago



LONGWOOD, Fla. - The 15-year-old boy shot by police while brandishing a pellet gun in a middle school bathroom was clinically brain dead Saturday but was being kept alive to harvest his organs, his family's attorney said.

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Christopher Penley was expected to die Saturday night, said family attorney Mark Nation.

"His organs are in the process of being harvested," Nation told reporters outside a hospital.

Earlier, Kelly Swofford, a family spokeswoman and neighbor of the boy's parents Ralph and Donna Penley, said the boy had died and that the family was "devastated."

Penley, of Winter Springs, was accused of pulling the pellet gun in a classroom Friday and pointing it at other students before forcing one into a closet, then leading deputies and SWAT team members on a chase that ended in a school bathroom.

When he raised the gun at a deputy, a SWAT team member shot him, authorities said.

Officers who had responded to the 1,100-student school in suburban Orlando believed the gun was a Beretta 9mm, and didn't learn until after the shooting that it was a pellet gun.

Police had said Friday night that the boy was on "advanced life support." The hospital refused to release any information Saturday.

"Everybody in the whole neighborhood is really upset," Paul Cavallini, who lives across the street from the Penleys, said Saturday. "He was a quiet kid — polite and everything. He was just a normal teenager."

However, friends and investigators say he was also bullied and emotionally distraught, and went to school that day expecting to die.

Patrick Lafferty, a 15-year-old neighbor who has known Penley about six years, said he wasn't surprised by what happened. He said Penley was a loner who "told me he wanted to kill himself dozens of times."

"He would put his headphones on and walk up and down the street and he would work out a lot," preferring to keep to himself, Lafferty said.

Swofford said the boy had run away from home several times. Her 11-year-old son, Jeffery Swofford, said Penley had said he had something planned.

"He said `I hope I die today because I don't really like my life,'" Jeffery Swofford said.

At a news conference following the shooting Friday at suburban Orlando's Milwee Middle School, authorities put the pellet gun side-by-side with a Beretta. It appeared to have black paint covering the red or pink markings on the muzzle that may have indicated to officers that it was a nonlethal weapon.

"As you can see, it doesn't take a professional to see how close this looks to the real thing. I would not be able to tell the difference," said Joyce Dawley, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement special agent in charge of the investigation.

Seminole County Sheriff Don Eslinger said the incident began about 9:38 a.m., when another student saw Penley with the weapon and struggled with him for it. Pointing the gun at the other student's back, Penley directed him to a closet, dimmed the lights and left the classroom, Eslinger said.

The school went into lockdown.

From there, the sheriff said, Penley traversed the school campus before ending up in a bathroom. By then, more than 40 officers, including SWAT and negotiators, were on scene. He refused to drop the firearm, Eslinger said, and was shot after pointing it at a SWAT deputy.

"The student said he was going to kill himself or die," Eslinger said.

Jeffery Swofford said Penley had been in a disagreement with someone, allegedly over a girl. There was going to be a fight Friday, he said. "I heard a rumor that he had a BB gun, but I didn't think he really had one," he added.

At the school Friday, Marie Hargis, whose son and daughter attend Milwee, held a sign that read "Stop the violence."

"My youngest daughter is just very emotionally messed up," she said. "She started crying and said, `Mommy, I don't want to go back.' They should not fear having to go to school."

(LEADS with 4 grafs to correct with boy clinically brain dead but being kept alive to harvest his organs; Will be updated)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060114/ap_on_...chool_evacuated
posted on January 14th, 2006, 11:43 pm
So every time someone gets shot, you're gonna post it here, so you can avoid answering our points direcrly?
posted on January 14th, 2006, 11:45 pm
i have anser all the quetions asked like 2x now. thares nuthing left to be sed.

ether you respect humin life anuff to pertect it or you do not respect humin life and wont guns to distroy it.
posted on January 15th, 2006, 12:24 am
Do YOU respect human rights enough to uphold out right to keep and bear arms?
posted on January 15th, 2006, 12:44 am
the rhite ho hold arms is not a humin right. humin right is not to torcher treet pepal farily no mater race religon or ethnishaty, to make sher pepal have food and are safe.

i dont see a gun as a humin right its a privilege that is abused.
posted on January 15th, 2006, 1:18 am
Do YOU respect human rights enough to uphold out right to keep and bear arms?

thats not a human right, thats an american right. believe it or not but the two are different.
posted on January 15th, 2006, 2:14 am
not according to the ACLU... (not that I agree with them on anything, in fact, they are so liberally biased it's absurd)
posted on January 15th, 2006, 3:17 am
Last edited by ewm90 on January 15th, 2006, 3:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
well thay are rong if thats what thay say. that meens the NRA probly paiyed tham off to incowed that or paiyed off some one in power to add that in.

if you think you that have a gun is a humin right, I sugest you see a shrink or two.


like Cpt Ryan sed is not a humin right its a american right unfochintly.
posted on January 15th, 2006, 6:36 pm
...not that the ACLU represents my opinion...
posted on January 15th, 2006, 6:51 pm
(to be read with a sarcastic tone)...

I think the law enforcement officers need to be more careful. I mean, how can they hurt a little, innocent boy with his full life ahead of him? I think the police should get rid of their weapons too so that everyone will be safe. As long as one gun is on the streets they are not safe.

(back to seriousness)...

Of course these things are going to happen. As long as someone looks like they are going to shoot you, you are out of your mind if you have a gun and dont try to protect yourself. Thats like taking a lifejacket in the boat with you and not putting it on; when you really need it, it cant help you.

Bad people will always have guns, period. If the general public cannot be allowed to at least arm themselves semi-decently against the threat of muggers or thieves, then my guess is that crime will skyrocket. It would be a piece of cake to rob someone if you knew they were unarmed. But, if there is a slight chance that the victim might have a revolver under their coat... that makes any criminal cringe. Nobody likes to get shot.

The real reason for having guns I believe is not that you hope to ever have to use them, but rather to strike fear into the hearts of those that seek to harm you. And that is a very legitimate reason.
posted on January 15th, 2006, 9:21 pm
as someone said in Aliens vs predator: "same principle as a condom." "i'd rather have one and not need it- then need it and not have one."

personally i think the world would be a safer place if every "sane" and non-criminal was armed and highly trained in the use of them. because who in there right mind would try to attack someone else in that situation?
posted on January 16th, 2006, 2:23 am
Last edited by Anonymous on January 16th, 2006, 3:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
it would be suicidal...

Oh, and ewm:

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posted on January 16th, 2006, 3:25 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on January 16th, 2006, 3:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.
well if i am odimacticly rong that duss not show a lot of respect for my vows.

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