Goodbye.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 12:06 pm

lol i love monty python. 

lol i cant believe navyguy complaining

Maybe he exercised his right to be a woman... and its that time of the month! 

posted on September 10th, 2010, 12:23 pm

Maybe he exercised his right to be a woman... and its that time of the month! 

lol thats very sexist, but i think there are like 2 women on this forum, so i doubt anyone will form a mob

posted on September 10th, 2010, 12:34 pm

lol thats very sexist, but i think there are like 2 women on this forum, so i doubt anyone will form a mob

There are women on this forum?!   

Anyway, its not sexist, its the truth.  Once a month I have to tread very carefully around my wife.... or else she will tread very un-carefully on me.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 3:20 pm

Not every woman gets PMS or PMDD, tho a lot of 20-40 year old women have it. Also, some people are bitchy all the time and the monthly intensifying is just your imagination. Furthermore, don't blame it on their time of the month even if it is, that lets them off the hook of letting their anger affect them that way.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 5:33 pm

Not every woman gets PMS or PMDD, tho a lot of 20-40 year old women have it. Also, some people are bitchy all the time and the monthly intensifying is just your imagination. Furthermore, don't blame it on their time of the month even if it is, that lets them off the hook of letting their anger affect them that way.

So you are saying navyguy may not have PMS? 

posted on September 10th, 2010, 9:33 pm

Oh boy, you really don't get what I am trying to say do you?  Its fine if you don't want to give details, for whatever reason, but please, stop using words like "rights" and "Director of Public Safety" <- that sounds like it is straight out of 1984.
Correct. 

Ouch, my virtual ears hurt!  We know you desperately want/need help.  I really do sympathize with your problems.  You fail to understand that maybe, just maybe, people cannot or do not want to help and if help is not forthcoming you do not cry about it  you get on with life and seek an alternate solution.

I see other people getting help here with their game problems, I don't see anyone even offering alternative solutions, just you bladgering the same thing Loki_999 and others saying to uninstall the game and to start over. Uninstalling is for quiters when they have no idea how to look for a problem and shouldn't be the first suggestion. Its more a last resort for when all possible solutions have been exausted and there is nothing left to try.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 9:35 pm

Maybe he exercised his right to be a woman... and its that time of the month! 

Now who are you talking about? That is just rude.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 9:59 pm

I see other people getting help here with their game problems, I don't see anyone even offering alternative solutions, just you bladgering the same thing Loki_999 and others saying to uninstall the game and to start over. Uninstalling is for quiters when they have no idea how to look for a problem and shouldn't be the first suggestion. Its more a last resort for when all possible solutions have been exausted and there is nothing left to try.

That's because what little us peasants know, we know about FO, not A2 vanilla or the patch project unfortunately. Thus we can help with FO bugs 

posted on September 10th, 2010, 10:05 pm

Like I said, if you were were willing to try and cooperate instead of demanding help and telling us your rights, I would be very happy to help.  If you could post, as I said, a simple summary of a single crash, and then another after that is fixed, ect, and let us ask for information about it, then you might get some help.  But if you keep the up with the way you are doing it, then nobody is gonna want to help you.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 10:16 pm

Uninstalling is for quiters when they have no idea how to look for a problem and shouldn't be the first suggestion. Its more a last resort for when all possible solutions have been exausted and there is nothing left to try.

Of course, continuing in an approach which has led only to more and more errors is clearly the best choice here, rather than stepping back and approaching the problem from a new angle. At least you won't be a quitter!

I usually stay out of things like this but when I read that you were actually thinking of debugging issues with your mod in terms of winning and losing or being the best I had to say something; fixing bugs is not an area where you say "I'm not doing X because that's quitting" - if you want to fix the problem you're going to have to approach it in a somewhat detached and methodical manner, starting with the simplest components of your mod and working your way up in complexity.

Starting from a clean install does not mean failure - it just means that you would be giving yourself a better chance to make things work properly rather than running around fighting a purely reactionary battle against every next crash or bug that turns up.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 10:21 pm

Yeah, I would always suggest starting from scratch if you get a ton of bugs like that, but if you want to work on one at a time, I will try to help.

posted on September 11th, 2010, 3:21 am

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Like I said, if you were were willing to try and cooperate instead of demanding help and telling us your rights, I would be very happy to help.  If you could post, as I said, a simple summary of a single crash, and then another after that is fixed, ect, and let us ask for information about it, then you might get some help.  But if you keep the up with the way you are doing it, then nobody is gonna want to help you.

I have been willing to cooperate and I haven't been demanding help, I've politely asked more than once.

I was told to post the most important errors that were crashing my game and I did just that because all of the errors posted are making in impossible to do anything with the game. If no one likes the size of the description of the errors, then just figure out the problem from the first two lines after the # given for each error. If you come up with a fix, just post it or read the rest of the problem first before asking for additonal information because I included all of the information that I have. Thus what I wrote about each error is a simple summary because to be a full summary, first it has to be more than 3 sentences and it actually has to state the information, well I'm going by what I've learned in English classes since I started middle school back in 2000.

Of course, continuing in an approach which has led only to more and more errors is clearly the best choice here, rather than stepping back and approaching the problem from a new angle. At least you won't be a quitter!

I usually stay out of things like this but when I read that you were actually thinking of debugging issues with your mod in terms of winning and losing or being the best I had to say something; fixing bugs is not an area where you say "I'm not doing X because that's quitting" - if you want to fix the problem you're going to have to approach it in a somewhat detached and methodical manner, starting with the simplest components of your mod and working your way up in complexity.

Starting from a clean install does not mean failure - it just means that you would be giving yourself a better chance to make things work properly rather than running around fighting a purely reactionary battle against every next crash or bug that turns up.

I can't uninstall the game and start over, to do so would put me behind everyone else in my class and that will make everyone have to deal with the fact that my game is having problems (well they are having problems with their games but at least other people are helping them without complaining about long posts or being fully descriptive, to bad  I didn't chose their games instead, at least those communities are willing ot help).

Even though starting over won't take 2.5 years, it will drastically put me behind, if your forgetting, I still have a Fourth Campaign to start to that is part of my mods/projects proposal so it can't be cut out.

Thus I can't start over from the beginning and I have a legitamate reason why I can't (even if no one can understand it).

I have been approaching all the problems in my game with a somewhat detached and methodical manner, starting with the simplest components of your mod and working your way up in complexity. This is actually how I solved the crashing problem after replacing the Dominion Starbase from the Dominion Ultimate Mod with the one in Fleet Ops only editing the Dominion Ultimate mod's ODF file for the hardpoints. I have always done this type of method and I wouldn't be posting errors if it actually had worked for the crashing errors that I'm asking for help to solve.

Yeah, I would always suggest starting from scratch if you get a ton of bugs like that, but if you want to work on one at a time, I will try to help.

As I have said more than once already, I can't start over given the fact that this isn't a mod that I'm doing for fun, its is for a college game designing class. I have no choice because of a tight schedule, I have to fix the errors in this install of the game, there is no other choice in the matter.

I have been wanting to work on one crashing error at a time, I only posted all of them because I was told to post the most important errors, and they are all the most important errors because they are making it totally impossible to do anything else with the game and mod. All those who want to help me out actually have to do is choose the errors that they want to work on first, the ones that they believe are more important.

So just chose the errors that you all feel are the most important and work on to the other ones as the others are solved, it is the logical course of action. Now the choice is yours to make on which errors to start with...

posted on September 11th, 2010, 4:29 am

Why does rays good bye post have 72 posts???? Hes back now and people are still posting in it......

posted on September 11th, 2010, 4:39 am

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(well they are having problems with their games but at least other people are helping them without complaining about long posts or being fully descriptive, to bad  I didn't chose their games instead, at least those communities are willing ot help).
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You know its these kinds of comments you make that rub people the wrong way. You are CONSTANTLY bitching about not getting help, and you act as if this is the reason your mod doesnt work. Its not the communities responsibility to help you, and you act as if your entitled to everyones time and talents to help you with this. You ALWAYS have a reply to everyone who tries to help you not make an ass of yourself and it comes off as arrogant. For every piece of advice someone gives you, you give a reason why you cant (or wont) do it. Maybe you should grow up a little an take some resposibility and actually LISTEN to what the community tells you! What happens if you ultimately fail? You gonna come back here and blame the community because YOUR mod doesnt work and its all the FO communities fault because they wont help fix it? This is YOUR mod, you have had SEVERAL people reply to you willing to try to help (who have no obligation to) and yet you persist in making statements like the one above. Then you wonder why people arnt more helpful?  Maybe you should drop your class and sign up for a teambuilding class so you can learn the proper way to work with other people.

And again, I still have a hard time with your whole story, just too much of it doesnt make sense.

posted on September 11th, 2010, 5:00 am

Why does rays good bye post have 72 posts???? Hes back now and people are still posting in it......

It's become the spam thread