Goodbye.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 6:03 am

All I ask is that I'm treated with the same courtesy as everyone else that comes here, no matter if they are modding Fleet Ops or Star Trek Armada II.

Then maybe you should consider acting like everyone else on the forums.

Actually Two Errors have been fixed and all because well everyone here wanted to always suggest about uninstalling and reinstalling the game and saying to just start over, I was busy not starting over and instead actually found a way to fix a problem without taking the easy way out since I knew that the errors were going to contiune to occur even if the mod was started over because I've had previous exsperience to know that that would actually be the case. These errros are fixable and taking the easy way out and just setting yourslf up to have to deal wit them in the future is actually stupid.

Now because of me and me alone, a major crashing error has been fixed, true it isn't the one with the Trading Stations and Cargo ships of all races crashing the game , but it is top on that list. Especailly when Toto said the Trading Station/Cargo Ship error is one of the easily fixable one.
Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - Star Trek Armada II - Requesting Modding Help & Crashing Errors Help – Thread 1

Congrats, you fixed some of your issues. Since your method is so superior to everyone elses, why do you need anyones help here, why keep asking? You dont do what anyone else suggests anyway so wny bother?

I actually feel like I'm being attacked here by everyone and I only came here looking for some help with my mod in fixing all the crashing errors that are occuring and to be honest, there are only the ones that I've reported nothing more nothing less, and instead of there being 5 since I was able to fix one through the process of elimination, there are only 4 left.

It really amazes me how oblivious you are to the way you sound in your posts. If you cant see the issue in the way you ask for help you are going to have a very tough road ahead of you.

For those that think I'm not telling the truth, well guess what I am telling the truth, I don't believe in lying and I never have told a lie yet and I'm not going to start now. Liars are sinners and sinners go to hell. If I was ever going ot be to say a lie, it would be a disgrace to the Saint James necklace I wear, the saint I'm named after and furthermore, I'm also wearing a Crucifix with that necklace and use Holy Water daily, I am not telling any lies here for that is just not me. I actually consider it an insult that anyone would go and say that I'm lying. Why do I take it as an insult? Well, my grandmother died when I  was very young and she was a devoted Catholic and took me to church every Sunday, its something that I enjoyed alot and felt close to God. Thus I'm following the Ten Commandments.

Now I would like an apology from all of those people that are calling me a liar.

Glad you cleared that up. Since you profess to not be a liar and believe in god I guess I have to believe youre telling the truth.

[quote="jetnova16"]
I've been trying to be nice about this so many times and having to explain the same thing over and over again and I'm getting tired of it and I'm not seeing any action in trying to even combat these errors and fix them, at least someone has been trying to do just that: [b]ME![/b]

Then you should know how everyone else feels when they deal with you. They have given you suggestions and you refuse to listen. Wiping everything and starting over is standard procedure when troubleshooting. Reinstalling a game sucks and definately isnt the "easy" way out, its a pain in the ass but sometimes a necessary one. But you apparently know better so stop whining about it and fix it your way, your attitiude sucks. You complain about everyone attacking you, have you stopped to consider why that is? For someone who claims he doesnt get upset easily over this kind of stuff, you seem awfully bothered by it. You have this smug superiority about you that I would guess Im not the only one who picks up on. You sit here asking for help, but not really asking, you almost act as if its owed to you that you get what you want.

To me you sound like a child having a temper tantrum because hes not getting what he wants, or not hearing what he wants to so he ignores it. .

posted on September 12th, 2010, 6:46 am

Well, why can't we just rename this thread into: "I need attention!"

jetnova, by now I guess you could have easily started over again with your mod. What are you doing instead? Wasting your time by complaining about not getting help. Well, that helped you a lot, mh?
Or you could have used that time to think of a mod you can actually do without external support?

No, you're complaining.
Let me tell you something. First thing i thought when I saw you here? "Cool, new guy and a modder, too."
By now I'm more like  :fish:

The time you're spending complaining about people around here and not working on your mod really makes me doubt there's this mod at all. Why don't you just give us a break, boy? (Or is there a option to hide threads I haven't found so far  )

posted on September 12th, 2010, 8:53 am

Liars are sinners and sinners go to hell.

Looking forward to it.  Will finally get to meet Hendrix, Morrison, Darwin, Einstein, etc, and all those other great people who will end up in hell according to Christian doctrine and as i understand the weather is quite warm.  Certainly a lot more interesting than the Christian heaven.  Boring!!! 

Now I would like an apology from all of those people that are calling me a liar.

Not sure anyone did call you a liar.  Myself and a few others have stated we find your story difficult to believe as it seems rather strange.  So no apology necessary.  If I have said something that does require an apology then please point it out and I will be more than happy to apologize.

Anyway, welcome back Ray (just to keep things on-topic).

[Phoenix]

posted on September 12th, 2010, 10:26 am

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Mr Nova, I think it's important for you to consider that no one here is obliged to provide help since they are not being paid by you to work on this mod. There are people who can help with certain things but a lot of people here don't have the required skills to fully diagnose the issues you've describe and/or the time to be able to dedicate to it.

Even if they did have those skills, you're much less likley to get a positive response, given what has transpired so far. It's a shame but it's a fact of life. If you take things too seriously and fly off the handle so quickly, whenever someone "seems" to be attacking you, then all you'll do is annoy people which leaves you open to a real counterattack (even if they were friendly prior to that). I'd bet there are people here who are feeling similarly defensive based on the things you're saying; only they're better at hiding it with comedy. In the end, all you get is a load of people drawn into posting ever larger posts, which surely must be taking the best part of 30mins by now, in order to overwhelm the other. I myself, have wasted 10mins of my life, in a vain effort to bring some form of clarity here .

In any case, if this is a school project, I'd be very wary about taking too much help from other people anyway. Where I'm from, you'd be immediately disqualified if any part of your project contained lines written by other people.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 10:33 am

fix your post, it has text you said, inside quote tags from jet.

@jet: i never knew you at the other sites, but people have said how you had a falling out with people there, now you're having a falling out with people here. if i were you i would just drop all the arguing and stuff and just move on. its doubtful you're gonna get help anymore after p**sing off so many people.

[Atlantis]

posted on September 12th, 2010, 4:54 pm

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Ok, to point out one HUGE flaw in your logic...

I will say this once and for all: I have always put one addition into my game and tested it and moved on. All of these errors aren't in connection to an addtiton, none of them happend after putting an addition into the game, they just started t ooccur days after additons were put in.

This is [b]impossible. What do you think is happening, the computer is changing the files by itself? (This would go along with how you think the world is out to get you) You HAVE done something, or you HAVE missed something. Not an accusation of lying, more a correction for you being WRONG.

As for your project, I couldn't care less. And the more you talk to people in the way you have been, other people are even less likely to care too. An important part of modding is being part of the community. If you are unable to be civil to other people, you are unable to be part of the community, and therefore you are going to find it VERY difficult to do this project of yours. Good luck with that. You'll need it.

When I first saw your essays (or, as you call them, "posts") on this forum I put them to one side to read and analyse when I had time. Honestly. Other things got in the way. I'm a medical researcher, and have a job, a family, my own studies, and my own projects to do. I suspect everyone else here capable of helping you has similar priorities. The reason they helped other people is that most people have quick and easy problems (the CD being upside down, the game not being installed, the computer not being turned on, that kind of thing), so it's easy to fix. Yours are pretty in-depth ones, that take half an hour to read, let alone diagnose. Who has that kind of time? And who has that kind of time to help someone with a bad attitude?

You will get no apology from me. You are mistaken (read my posts, I have not accused you of lying, only of being wrong). Your attitude stinks. If you really want people to help you, WE await YOUR apology.

posted on September 12th, 2010, 5:29 pm

the CD being upside down

so thats why i couldnt play fleetops, thanks for the help

posted on September 13th, 2010, 1:27 am

Then maybe you should consider acting like everyone else on the forums.

I have been being nice and have had all intentions of being nice and respectful. I haven't started anything here, its your fellow commentors that have done that, they have set it that I have to DEFEND myself from them and are forcing me to change the way I was taught furthermore when it comes to describing any probelm, especially when I rather put all the important information right away and not have to be asked later about it when I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO AND WORRY ABOUT TO like my other classes and some of the International Students that I help with English.

After all, respect is a two way street, and I haven't gotten much here at all, before you complain about me, look at your selves and see how your treating me. Just because I have a time table (schedule) to follow for this project doesn't mean anything to anyone does it. [u][b]Well I have had to uninstall and start this project over again 6 times because no one actually wants to help me fix any of the problems, problems that I can prove aren't related to my mod (because I know other people having the same type of problems in their games)  [/u][/b]

I've been trying to be nice about this so many times and having to explain the same thing over and over again and I'm getting tired of it and I'm not seeing any action in trying to even combat these errors and fix them, at least someone has been trying to do just that: [b]ME![/b]

Then you should know how everyone else feels when they deal with you. They have given you suggestions and you refuse to listen. Wiping everything and starting over is standard procedure when troubleshooting. Reinstalling a game sucks and definately isnt the "easy" way out, its a pain in the ass but sometimes a necessary one. But you apparently know better so stop whining about it and fix it your way, your attitiude sucks. You complain about everyone attacking you, have you stopped to consider why that is? For someone who claims he doesnt get upset easily over this kind of stuff, you seem awfully bothered by it. You have this smug superiority about you that I would guess Im not the only one who picks up on. You sit here asking for help, but not really asking, you almost act as if its owed to you that you get what you want.

To me you sound like a child having a temper tantrum because hes not getting what he wants, or not hearing what he wants to so he ignores it. .

I'm not having a temper tantrum or anyhting else and I happen to know that taking the easy way out is a lame person's excuse, I have already proven that these errors can actually be fixed. Just like my modder friend named Toto has already told me. He even said that any other modder that's been playing the game for sometime should also know what to do to fix the problems that I've reported.

posted on September 13th, 2010, 1:32 am

Well, why can't we just rename this thread into: "I need attention!"

jetnova, by now I guess you could have easily started over again with your mod. What are you doing instead? Wasting your time by complaining about not getting help. Well, that helped you a lot, mh?
Or you could have used that time to think of a mod you can actually do without external support?

No, you're complaining.
Let me tell you something. First thing i thought when I saw you here? "Cool, new guy and a modder, too."
By now I'm more like  :fish:

The time you're spending complaining about people around here and not working on your mod really makes me doubt there's this mod at all. Why don't you just give us a break, boy? (Or is there a option to hide threads I haven't found so far  )

I can't start over especially since this class is been moving on (which it would either way) when I have had to deal with all of the uninstalls and reinstalls and starting overs since this project started, a total of 6 times and now I can't afford to do that anymore especially NOW:
[b][b]BY THIS WEDNESDAY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HALF WAY DONE WITH THIS PROJECT AND ACTUALLY STARTING THE FININSHING TOUCHES SO IT CAN BE OFFICIALLY COMPLETED ON THE LAST DAY OF CLASSES ON DECEMBER 16, 2010.[/b][/b] Now do you get why I can't start over?  I hope you do.

posted on September 13th, 2010, 1:37 am

Good old jetnova all over again. You were banned from A2Files for a reason. Somebody already close this...

posted on September 13th, 2010, 4:55 am

Mr Nova, I think it's important for you to consider that no one here is obliged to provide help since they are not being paid by you to work on this mod. There are people who can help with certain things but a lot of people here don't have the required skills to fully diagnose the issues you've describe and/or the time to be able to dedicate to it.

Even if they did have those skills, you're much less likley to get a positive response, given what has transpired so far. It's a shame but it's a fact of life. If you take things too seriously and fly off the handle so quickly, whenever someone "seems" to be attacking you, then all you'll do is annoy people which leaves you open to a real counterattack (even if they were friendly prior to that). I'd bet there are people here who are feeling similarly defensive based on the things you're saying; only they're better at hiding it with comedy. In the end, all you get is a load of people drawn into posting ever larger posts, which surely must be taking the best part of 30mins by now, in order to overwhelm the other. I myself, have wasted 10mins of my life, in a vain effort to bring some form of clarity here .

In any case, if this is a school project, I'd be very wary about taking too much help from other people anyway. Where I'm from, you'd be immediately disqualified if any part of your project contained lines written by other people.

Here's a good question for you then: What are modders supposed to do then after they release a mod and those people using the mod that they created and are incorporating it into their game that has other mods in it and then they encounter a problem? (A) Is the person using the mod and wanting to incorporate it into their mod and its causing problems, suppose to just for get about the mod or actually seek help from others in the gaming community and try and fix the problem or problems? (B) Give up and uninstall the game and start over. (C) Get help from the community and also work on the problem themselves too?

Well to that question, I'd say the correct answer is (C). That is because no one can actually know what a mod is going to do in a game that is already modded, furthermore, any mod that someone releases should at least have been fully bug tested by the creator in at least their mod that way they'll know that there might be potential bugs.

I know that I do that for all the potentual mods that I have created (mostly ODF ones when you don't have software to make SODs and modelss) but I have been creating a new mod based on a Mirror Universe Cloak mentioned in both Star Trek Dark Victory and Star Trek Preserver (Both By William Shatner), the mod is called the "Tantalus Mask" and its meant to be used on ships from the Mirror Universe. Well like all my other mods, its going to get tested before it is released but of course that testing will take place in my mod, thus a warning would be in the Read-Me about trying it in any other mod but since its based on the Cloaking Device it should actually be fine in all mods. (This is only an example for this type of thing though.)

For those that keep wanting to continusly attack me about this, I keep trying to expalin the circumstances here but then of course no one seems to understant that this is not a personal endevaour to create this mod or I'd be happy to take your advice and start over, but ther is just time consuming restrictions that just prevent that from actually being possible anymore especially when that would mean starting over for the 7th time and since this is the last semester for this project and part is even due this Wednesday, I can't do that anymore. After this Wendnesday, we're actually supposed to be putting on the finishing touches for this project so that its ready to be handed in on December 16, 2010.

First this really is a school project (so your "if" is false), we have been told to seek out help if we need it for our projects from those in any moddeing community that we can find that is related to the game that you're using, more on this in the next quote. Since we are allowed to seek out some help with our projects from the modding community. Since this is allowed, it wouldn't lead to any disqualification, so I'm following the procedure set out by the course sylabus, that's why I am asking for help because its allowed.

Good old jetnova all over again. You were banned from A2Files for a reason. Somebody already close this...

I have only found 4 Armada2Files, Armada Fleet Command, MSFC and here at Fleet Ops, there are no other sites that I can even find that are dedicated to the game Star Trek Armada II at all. Then Igot disrespected for my beliefs and my modding plan at Armada2Files, and MSFC, both those sites users weren't very kind to my from the beginning and all I wanted there was help with my mod or just a few ships/stations/weapons. But all I got was people attacking me there for wanting alittle help to fix the problems that I was having in my game,then when ever they banned me, I was forced into having to unistall the game and then reinstall the game and to start over again, I had to do that for 6 times and then the same problems would occur again and again and again and again and again and again, but all at different times in the modding process, never at the same point and never with the same ship or station (except the Trading Station/Cargo Ship Error for all races that have those stations and ships)

Before people go and say that I've made changes to files that I haven't I've checked the corresponding ODF files for all Trading Stations and Cargo Ships and there aren't any changes in them. I even replaced them with the originals and the crash still occurs, this error has always been happening for all 6 installs and attempts at making this mod. Each time I did nothing to provoke or create the crash, but I feel that I'm being blamed for everything, and I know that I didn't change anything except the standard files that get modded (sprites, techtrees).

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[b]Will everyone please stop this stupid nonsense and please help me fix these problems? This is not what I want to do here or be attacked, I never wanted that at any site involving Armada II but others turned it into that. PLEASE STOP THAT NONSENSE. Thank you.[/b]
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Will anyone please help me fix these problems and just stop all of this nonsense? This is the only thing I want, to get my game working smoothly or close to it as possible, that's all I ask and that is why I'm here.

posted on September 13th, 2010, 5:20 am

Jet, your digging youself into a hole, best to stop and start over asking for help, cus nobody is going to listen to your right now, condense, simplify, might help to start a new thread, but right now.... your not doing yourself any favors

Can we get a close thread hear, honestly

posted on September 13th, 2010, 7:31 am

Jetnova, please post about your issues in appropriate topics.

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