No Mayson phaser from the second round of the tourney?!

posted on November 17th, 2010, 4:09 pm

Even if it was a war, even wars have rules. The owners of the Turret are exactly the kind to listen to any such rules laid out.

posted on November 17th, 2010, 4:14 pm

The owners of the Turret are exactly the kind to listen to any such rules laid out.

Sorry Tyler, my english is not very good ... What do you mean with that?

Thx

posted on November 17th, 2010, 4:17 pm

Make any rules limiting something and the Federation are very likely to obey them.

posted on November 17th, 2010, 4:51 pm

Make any rules limiting something and the Federation are very likely to obey them.

Except when it involves Section 31.  They must have somehow influenced the devs.

posted on November 17th, 2010, 5:23 pm

Rules like limit civilian casualties as much as possible, which is ignored every time you obliterate a mining freighter or mining station.

posted on November 17th, 2010, 5:57 pm

Well since we've heard from a couple of the Mayson players in the tourney that they wouldn't feel comfortable losing him as a choice,  I'll withdraw my request.


    Hopefully an aggressive Klingon will find you chewing on your own power cables!   

posted on November 17th, 2010, 7:54 pm

My hope is that those players diversify their gameplay in the future.  Though, I mostly play Klingon myself.

posted on November 17th, 2010, 7:58 pm

You could post a poll (but if you want, make it public so you can make sure only tournament members are voting).

[Tyler]

posted on November 17th, 2010, 8:19 pm

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Rules like limit civilian casualties as much as possible, which is ignored every time you obliterate a mining freighter or mining station.

Federation ones are civilians working with the Military, don't know if the other races are. Dominion and Borg certainly aren't, being Drones and Jem'Hadar. Klingon ones are apparently also crewed by warriors if the ability to make a combat-worthy K't'inga is anything to go by.

That only leaves the Romulan ones, which are likely crewed by Remans, other slaves/prisoners and Romulan soldiers to keep them in line. Starfleet would probably be concerned about killing this one.

Where would slaves and hard-labour prisoners fall regarding the wartime laws about civilians?

posted on November 17th, 2010, 9:05 pm

Since they themselves are often innocent (at least to the other side) I'd think they would qualify as civilians.

posted on November 17th, 2010, 9:32 pm

Haha, maybe next time Elim, you can just post a massive PM to all the players who are actually in the tournament.  Then you can set up your own mini forum and not have to worry about people not in the tourney complaining about it.

[Elim]

posted on November 17th, 2010, 9:53 pm

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Haha, maybe next time Elim, you can just post a massive PM to all the players who are actually in the tournament.  Then you can set up your own mini forum and not have to worry about people not in the tourney complaining about it.

Yeah exactly, shame I wasn't enough smart to do that.     :crybaby:  Won't do a mistake like this again. Honestly maybe I wasn't completely ready to organise a tourney like this, I don't really got any experience with it. I should have stay about more objective about these kind of game balancing stuff, but I really felt, I need to start something to do with it . A lot of players feel now, that they have a huge disatvantage when they face mayson as any other faction. I was completely agreeing with them, now my opinion is not that one-dimensional. This was a good lesson, hopefully in the future I will be able to deal with this kind of issues, in a more clever way.

posted on November 18th, 2010, 2:42 am

Come now, Funny ....


   Let's not make an issue here about misunderstanding.  A lot of the tourney players are a bit frustrated by the fact that Mayson still feels overpowered.  He's been the most overpowered avatar for a long time - that's a widely accepted view.  3.0.7 was rediculously Mayson-esque .  The advantages now are much more subtle overall, but they add up to make him too strong still.

If you read what I originally stated, you would know that I too find Mayson Turrets very frustrating. However, that doesn't mean that they are an exploit and are overpowered. They are just imbalanced. You once told me that there was a difference between the two and I hope you see how it applies to this situation.

  You're not in the tournament, but if you were I think you might sympathize with this notion more.  It sucks when you can pretty easily tell:  "ok, I either have to play Mayson myself and have a chance or get beaten by the guys who are playing ONLY Mayson".  Not a fun choice

Well if winning matters so much to them that they have to stoop down to that level in order to win, then, if you lose, you can be satisfied with yourself that you used honorable tactics. If you win, then you can look back at it as an extraordinary achievement. Trust me, I really sympathize with you on this issue, as I probably have had even more frustrations than you have in the past. I mean just look at all the HGF games in which Mort and I got slaughtered. And back then, things were way more worse then they are now. Norways could incinerate an entire fleet with the click of a button, Excelsior IIs had 360 decree firing arcs, and the SFC was faster to build both in build time and in the tech tree. While I agree with you wholeheartedly, I also have to point out that a lot of other players are newer and need Mayson to stand a chance against a beast like you Boggz. So, as I already said earlier, I wouldn't ban the Mayson Phaser, but instead try to encourage people not to use it.

posted on November 18th, 2010, 3:22 am

So then why arbitrarily argue about it, Funny?


  When you chimed in the first time it wasn't on the stance of "Well the tourney started this way, might as well finish it this way".  It was on the stance of "it's not that bad, the phaser turrets can be beaten".

  ....


  If you sympathize, why argue about it when you're not even in the tournament?  It's not about people "stooping" to some level, it's because some people in this tourney are less experienced and Mayson is a crutch .  Why not use it if you can?  Again, try being in the tournament and realizing that you've basically got no chance.

posted on November 18th, 2010, 4:26 am

Both fed avatars get free warps its no different, only advantage i see with mayson is his high def turrents but iv seen the same effect with risner torp turrent, iv noticed that openents when facing mayson always attack the expansion instead of attacking the un defended base mining from the outside which is usually least def.

I i do think that the mayson phaser turrent is a little over powered but if your a cloak race you have a BIG advantage you just need to think and use this advantage instead of using your energy in complaining.

Im pretty sure i beat a mayson guy as romulan by torp rhiening him to death this however was a team game but i still beat him so.

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