Galaxy Class

posted on November 15th, 2009, 3:08 pm

She's one of the premiere ships in ST at this point and has been.  Why isn't she a normal build ship??  She needs to be!

posted on November 15th, 2009, 3:10 pm

Hey there,

Basically everyone here (I believe?) has decided that because the Galaxy Class was such a low produced vessel, that it's not going to be a build-able ship. Possibly ever.

However, it is available in Warp-In and in my opinion is the perfect ship for Warp-In.

Anyway, as a summary it's not build-able, as very few were ever built, 8 at most if I'm correct.

Contact Tyler, he'll tell you more, I'm sure 

posted on November 15th, 2009, 3:35 pm

try searching the forms, you'll come up with about 1 million things about this subject!

posted on November 15th, 2009, 3:58 pm

Shadow --  Ah!  I decided I wasn't going to go read through every single thread.  I'm not that nuts.  But I was just playing a 2v2 with a hard on my side, against 2 merciless'.  I got one by warp in and she kicked major ass.  But I want to be able to build them normally dammit!  Change her warp in to a Luna class!(USS Titan)

posted on November 15th, 2009, 4:07 pm

Hmm Luna could be a good Warp-In actually.

For:

She's built in relatively small numbers (around 12 known)

Before anyone says well she is a science ship, yes well so is the Nebula

Against:

Warp-In tends to be the old mothballing ships

She's a bit of a random construction in my opinion, maybe as a replacement to the Nebula, meaning that actually she shouldn't be a warp-in vessel, and should be constructible if anything...

Luna class - Memory Beta, non-canon Star Trek Wiki

posted on November 15th, 2009, 4:29 pm

Hmm Luna could be a good Warp-In actually.

For:

She's built in relatively small numbers (around 12 known)

Before anyone says well she is a science ship, yes well so is the Nebula

Against:

Warp-In tends to be the old mothballing ships

She's a bit of a random construction in my opinion, maybe as a replacement to the Nebula, meaning that actually she shouldn't be a warp-in vessel, and should be constructible if anything...

Luna class - Memory Beta, non-canon Star Trek Wiki

The Luna is built with the torp/sensor pod, pretty obvious she's not a science vessel.  And yeah the warp ins seem to be that way.  But the Galaxy isn't built in small numbers.  If anything the Sov should be a warp in.  Think about how many galaxy's were gone through in DS9, particuarlarly the dominion war.  ALOT of them.

[Captain Proton]

posted on November 15th, 2009, 4:36 pm

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Well actually, in galactic terms the Galaxy was very underproduced, and if you read the link i provided you with, you'd see that yes the Luna is a science and exploration ship 

'The Luna-class ships were the top of the line in Starfleet's scientific and exploratory pursuits on behalf of the United Federation of Planets.'

Just a quote for you there, by some of our friends over at Memory-Beta who know Star Trek almost as well as Gene Roddenberry

Oh and the Sovereign will never be a warp-in 

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on November 15th, 2009, 4:48 pm

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Unofficial FAQ - The Hitchhiker's Guide to Fleet Operations

The question you are looking for is "Why isn't the Galaxy Class buildable?"

Galaxy Class

The USS Enterprise-D, the former flagship of Starfleet, was a vessel of the Galaxy class. These advanced vessels are very popular, but only a few of them exist. A very long construction time makes them unsuitable for efficient production programs. However, there are still Galaxy Class ships in service, which can be assigned to tasks by Starfleet Command. The Galaxy program was already closed at the outbreak of the Dominion War, and although a Galaxy class starship was the Federation Flagship, it was no war-ship. Its combat performance was far from good (how many did you see explode during the Dominion War) and it even had major flaws in shield harmonics, so it had to be upgraded with additional shield generators (the Dominion War refit). There were only a few Galaxy Class vessels in service and a hand full of space frames (6-8) that had been rapidly put together to make them "war ready" (without most of the civil interior like holodecks, labs and other such things). Just for the time scale, the USS Galaxy began its first 5-year-mission around 2360.

Galaxy class vessels are rare and are no longer in their production phase. That makes them ideal Warp-In vessels. It’s nice for a player to get something popular from time to time, which is what makes the Galaxy class feel special. The saucer separation was included as a giant "escape pod" for the 800 plus civilians on the Galaxy. Unlike other Starfleet ships like the Intrepid or the Sovereign, the Galaxy was a kind of giant city. Although it is often misunderstood that it had a Starfleet crew of above 1000, many of them were civilians, and that is what the saucer was there for - to evacuate them in case of an emergency. The saucer is actually close to unarmed. Cut off from its primary power core, the vessel only had the fusion engines supporting a perimeter shield system, impulse engines AND weapons. Galaxy saucer separation might make it in as a last minute emergency maneuver - but not as an enhancement to the Galaxy’s offensive or defensive power.

EDIT: some typos...

posted on November 15th, 2009, 5:20 pm

Answer: The people with power like fanon, but don't like the Galaxy.

posted on November 15th, 2009, 5:36 pm

Answer: The people with power like fanon, but don't like the Galaxy.

I think that's a bit unfair, don't you "Mr. I want the Feds to be uber awesomely powerful and decimate everything in one go"?

The Devs made this game out of an RPG which IS NOT biased toward one side or another. Just because you saw the Galaxy on the show doesn't make it awesomely powerful. Think about how many times it was easily damaged by the Ferengi and any other number of alien factions, and then consider how many you actually saw.

[Boggz]

posted on November 15th, 2009, 6:06 pm

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Still love in the outbreak of "Sacrifice of Angels" from DS9 watching those two Galaxies float pleasantly above a Galor and then blast it with phaser fire.  Makes a fella feel protected by a great big saucer.

    I have to agree with Dom though.  Canon examples indicate that the Galaxy is truly not fitted for war.  IN ST: Generations, if the Enterprise-D had been a true warship, when the D12 fires through it's shields it wouldn't have stopped at return fire with phasers, it would have flung a torpedo spread and blasted the thing from the sky.  Shields be damned!

  In fact ... that never made sense to me:  Why they return fire with phasers and don't even attempt to just launch a massive counterattack on a far inferior ship before more hull damage was done?


EDIT:  Here's the link to all the combat and fleet scenes in Sacrifice: 

    You can clearly see 4 separate Galaxy Class at different time vs. a brazillion cannon fodder Miranda and Excelsior classes.  Also, the ever-changing Vorcha has pulse disruptors ...  why must they change around so much?  Beams when they attack DS9, Pulse Disruptors against the Dominion, super powerful blower-upper torpedo-disruptors in TNG.

  bleh...

posted on November 15th, 2009, 6:12 pm

Well, after Roddenberry died, the writing went downhill fast.  I remember seeing the writers for Generations, and they looked like a couple of chimps with down syndrome.  One would think the crew would have noticed Geordi's visor broadcasting a signal.

posted on November 15th, 2009, 6:14 pm

Ah, suspension of disbelief... Not all Startrek episodes/shows are created equal I'm afraid

posted on November 15th, 2009, 7:12 pm

You would think for a movie where you're spending millions of dollars you'd get some of the better writers for the series.  Also, the campiness of the TNG movies was really high, so perhaps it wasn't just the writers, but the producers and directors as well.

Oh, and here's something fun.
A much better script of Star Trek:  Generations

posted on November 15th, 2009, 7:42 pm

Yes, sadly, the writers of Roddenbury movies have MUCH to consider besides just the legacy.  I'm afraid hardcore Trekkies find it unnecessary to give much thought to the fact that the legacy is also a product of a business besides an artform and a story. 

  None of that is an excuse for Insurrection though ....