Make canaveral more useful against Leavhals with more speed

posted on October 20th, 2011, 1:49 pm

We will have to wait what the next patch will bring, but much of the debate regarding the C is centered around Federation/Romulan and there are other factions to consider as well.

When playing federation i find the Romulans the most difficult side to counter, but to improve the C solely based upon Fed/Rom is IMO not wise for overall gameplay.

posted on October 20th, 2011, 6:30 pm

When playing federation i find the Romulans the most difficult side to counter, but to improve the C solely based upon Fed/Rom is IMO not wise for overall gameplay.

We put and thanks for saying this.

posted on October 20th, 2011, 6:51 pm

Yup... 

  Leahval are really hard for Feds to deal with - much like S2 spam is really hard for Feds to deal with.  It CAN be done but requires very precise micro and very skilled knowledge of how the ships stack up against one another.  A decloaking scout will make everything MUCH easier.

  Hopefully that will change with time .

  In the meantime - if you try x2 Mon and fail, my suggestion is to throw down some turrets to cover your main and tech up.  A single Defiant or Sovereign can be a nightmare for Leahvals.

posted on October 21st, 2011, 3:01 pm

Leavhals are Support ships and should therefore be treated same as Canaverals...good when mixed but not when spammed (current not true).

posted on October 21st, 2011, 3:48 pm

Leavhals are Support ships and should therefore be treated same as Canaverals...good when mixed but not when spammed (current not true).

And that my dear Watson is why they are being reworked in the next patch.

posted on October 21st, 2011, 5:15 pm

as the leahvals specials all work on the leahval itself, the leahval is a support ship only by name/passive considerations, its used as a combat ship.

if it were made into the image of other supports and became as bad at combat as they are, then the romulans will have a hole to fill, such as how to fight warpins. generix wont cut it in a slug fest against warpins. rhienns do poor damage against larger ships. maybe with the reworking around the generix and early game rom line up changes, the leahval could take this role and something else fill it.

posted on October 22nd, 2011, 1:41 pm

as the leahvals specials all work on the leahval itself, the leahval is a support ship only by name/passive considerations, its used as a combat ship.

if it were made into the image of other supports and became as bad at combat as they are, then the romulans will have a hole to fill, such as how to fight warpins. generix wont cut it in a slug fest against warpins. rhienns do poor damage against larger ships. maybe with the reworking around the generix and early game rom line up changes, the leahval could take this role and something else fill it.

Nope, currently its just too strong and a needs to be nerfed, im glad its going to get it.

posted on October 22nd, 2011, 1:46 pm

Nope, currently its just too strong and a needs to be nerfed, im glad its going to get it.

an eloquent response, nope to what exactly?

my point was that if the leahval is made into what other supports are then it wouldnt be a combat ship, and hence the romulans would have a hole in their line up.

if you disagree with this then you should try play rom vs feds with the rule that you can never build leahvals, ie pretending they dont leave a hole and thus your lineup is good enough without the leahval.

i'd be happy with the leahval being a supporting ship like canav or remore, but only if something came in to fill that hole.

posted on October 22nd, 2011, 2:33 pm

I agree that Leavhals are currently the only thing that can stop Feds...but in team games with 2 Roms a double Leavhal rush can be the end of your game if the map is not too large...a fleet of 4 Leavhals in the begining is deadly...

posted on October 22nd, 2011, 3:10 pm

an eloquent response, nope to what exactly?

my point was that if the leahval is made into what other supports are then it wouldnt be a combat ship, and hence the romulans would have a hole in their line up.

if you disagree with this then you should try play rom vs feds with the rule that you can never build leahvals, ie pretending they dont leave a hole and thus your lineup is good enough without the leahval.

i'd be happy with the leahval being a supporting ship like canav or remore, but only if something came in to fill that hole.

Nope to your entire post, i agreed with nothing you said hence the nope...

The lahevals are a different kind of support to others yes and dont need to be totally nerfed, BUT currently you dont need to build anything else as a romulans you can just build massive fleets of these lahevals and win you should not be able to do this with support period they are what they are classed as support. Griffins do well vs warpins you just need micro if you are incapable of doing this then romulans are not for you.

Currently they do too much damage in the special , can recharge way too much of their health using the auto repair, these need somewhat of a nerf, and people need more of a reason to build other romulan ships, im sure the devs wont just nerf the leaheval and leave it at that but we don't know yet but it certainly needs a nerf.

posted on October 22nd, 2011, 3:19 pm

currently you dont need to build anything else as a romulans you can just build massive fleets of these lahevals and win

try play roms and agree that you will build only leahvals. there are counters to that spam. you will die if you commit to such a spam.

posted on October 22nd, 2011, 4:23 pm

try play roms and agree that you will build only leahvals. there are counters to that spam. you will die if you commit to such a spam.

Yeah keep telling your self that. Lahevals are the best ship in the game for raiding, fast powerful and very tough, raiding someone to death with these is easy.

posted on October 22nd, 2011, 4:24 pm

Yeah keep telling your self that. Lahevals are the best ship in the game for raiding, fast powerful and very tough, raiding someone to death with these is easy.

whatever man, you really should actually try this and see how bad it works out.

posted on October 22nd, 2011, 4:35 pm

Myles, Leavhals have only a few counters and these are not from all races. As Dominion you can try bomber spam given that you can keep miners alive and given the Rom does not mix in a few Rhienns. Klingons can build Vorchas which cost some cash and suffer from Leavhals passive. Borg only have mixed fleet below Sphere with superior micro. Federation has turrets and Warpins (given you get the right ones). The problem is that all good counters vs Leavhals are easily countered by either Rhienns or Griffins. As far as I can see only agressive raiding can save you but this is highly dependent on the map (size, layout, moon count and positions).

posted on October 22nd, 2011, 5:01 pm

As Dominion you can try bomber spam given that you can keep miners alive and given the Rom does not mix in a few Rhienns.

who was talking about rhienns? i was very explicit that the rule is leahvals only and see if you can survive. that is what mrxt thinks he can do.

mixed fleets are part of a vastly different discussion.