Give Federation Ships Refits

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:24 pm

Gratz, I got you to explain my point exactly 

That's what I've been arguing, you've been saying that looks are what counts...

Now I'm confused... you changed your agument?

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:29 pm

That's what I've been arguing, you've been saying that looks are what counts...

No, I never said that.

I am sorry you misunderstood. No worries.

Anyway, if I ever get internet back at home we'll all have to have a multi brawl.

[Tyler]

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:31 pm

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I consider it a cruiser since it follows the Constitution Class lineage which is classified as
a Class I Heavy Cruiser

The design lineage is the looks...

A brawl... Not until the new version comes out. If I start getting into multiplayer, it may as well be the new one.

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:38 pm

You should Tyler, I'm sure many people here are looking forward to playing you

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:40 pm

The design lineage is the looks...

No, it's the direct decent from the previous ship (derived from) not the looks.

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:42 pm

I'm not exactly an 'Elite' level player...

No, it's the direct decent from the previous ship (derived from) not the looks.

That ain't the way you were putting it... you were going by the shape.

By the way, this thread has gone about 2-3 pages off-topic...

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:47 pm

Ok ik that this is not what you guys are talking about know. But it seems like every once in a while well meaning people come on here and ask for ship refits. The developers respond by saying that is a romulan trait. However some time ago when people were clammering for the Venture refit. I remember Optech saying that he thought of the Venture as a Galaxy of a higher rank. And if you check Zeichs blog you will find that he has confirmed that you will get the Venture when you rank a galaxy to Veteran Status. So my line of thinking is that the refits that you see in the shows will be included as a once you get a ship to Veteran.

[Tyler]

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:50 pm

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Both seperate methods of refit. People always ask for the research-style of refit to be added to Starfleet, that is the one almost exclusivly used by the Romulans.

The Galaxy (and likely any other non-Romulan ship) is refitted through levelling up.

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:51 pm

Off topic is not usually that bad of a thing, especially in a thread like this...  :lol:

That line of thinking is correct Dircome: many vessels across factions that gain Veteran status will get completely new textures etc (such as the Lakota refit I believe, Venture refit, etc ).

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:55 pm

Good i like it when im right.... anyway i was hoping to put these kind of kind of questions to rest

posted on October 23rd, 2009, 9:05 am

Actually, StarFleet does use refits. Remember that in the movies, NCC-1701 got a refit in the first movie. Kirk wasn't familiar with the "new" Enterprise and its systems, while Decker was.

Still, that's a shipyard refit, intended to dramatically upgrade/update a ship, while the Romulan refits in FO are more like battlefield refits, with ready-to-apply standardized kits. Those are not StarFleet style refits.

As for the hijack question, StarFleet didn't have battleships until the Defiant. Most SF designs are multi purpose ships, lightly armed in relation to their size. Defiant is the most visible case of a StarFleet design with the only purpose of space combat, that's why it's a battleship, even if it's dwarfed by Galaxies and the rest. It only has space for crew and combat systems, no labs, no recreational areas, nothing else.

So the Heavy Cruiser and the rest of designations are more courtesy than real use. And, as stated, older ships get pushed down when newer ones appear. The Constitution class is usually labelled as Heavy Cruiser, and it was, back when it was the ship with the state-of-the-art technology. I do recall I read somewhere that Constitutions in TNG days were considered Frigates or Light Frigates.

posted on October 23rd, 2009, 4:30 pm

Actually, StarFleet does use refits. Remember that in the movies, NCC-1701 got a refit in the first movie. Kirk wasn't familiar with the "new" Enterprise and its systems, while Decker was.

Still, that's a shipyard refit, intended to dramatically upgrade/update a ship, while the Romulan refits in FO are more like battlefield refits, with ready-to-apply standardized kits. Those are not StarFleet style refits.

Ill agree with you but starships are ment to go 5 to 10 years between refits. So there is no reason for that in the game because its not like the ship are going to become obsolete in the hour game. Also i consider the romulan stuff to be somewhat modular. So they dont refit as much as they change there mission kit.

posted on October 23rd, 2009, 5:09 pm

I think the purpose of refits is to make the same class available for differing roles. Though the feds usually make a new class if they need another ship to fulfill a certain role. The Rommies on the other hand are very fond of refitting because their resources (according to canon) is rather slim. So they use a refit system to make up for the roles where they lack ships. The Rheinn fulfills long-ranged strikes and quick raids. The Shrike is made purely for transfer of spys with stealth, and if ever caught, to easily get away (hence the disruptor's passive ability). The Generix fulfills the support role, the strike cruiser role (the frigate refit) and the Defensive cruiser role (the Dreadnought refit). The Tavara is for one purpose only, it is a Romlan Dreadnought.

The Klingons spend everything on military, there is no need for refits because they got so many classes that you could have shipyard databases crammed with various designs for construction.

posted on October 23rd, 2009, 7:26 pm

This thread makes me almost miss ray...

posted on October 23rd, 2009, 7:30 pm

This thread makes me almost miss ray...

its been a long time