Give Federation Ships Refits

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 5:26 pm

That then why does it have stats of a battleship in relation to pulse and torpedo weapons?

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 5:27 pm

So... what is a small battleship? I thought a Defiant would be a small battleship. Or is a small battleship somethin like an overhauled Delta Flyer? Can I have an example?

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 7:53 pm

So... what is a small battleship?  Can I have an example?

I am a small battleship.

With a big gun.

HA!

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 9:04 pm

Excelsior and Constitution Class are seperate ships entirely, with no similarity exept the basic 'Saucer-Engineering-Nacelle' layout...

But I didn't say they were the same ships did I? I said they share the same design lineage which is basically what you just said. No need to repeat me unless you just didn't understand.

[Anonymous]

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 9:06 pm

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It's a battleship. The only thing that classifies it as a destroyer is the Admiral's Log, which means nothing in game terms  .

Excelsior a Battleship? Ah ha, ah ha, ah hahahaha. Maybe if you were back in the TMP era.

The weapons odf give it battleship hit/miss rates; as Optec said it's a Medium Destroyer. Course, I already knew that but you believed that the Admiral's log had nothing to do with it.

[Tyler]

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 9:15 pm

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What you said is; it has the same design lineage, therefore it is the same type. Just using more words.

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 9:27 pm

Then if the design lineage does not make them the same type of ship, then can you explain
what does or does not make a ship a certain type?

[Tyler]

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 9:45 pm

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Weaons array, technology it is equiped with, speed, ect. If the basic shape was important, then the Galaxy Class Battleship (which has the same basic Saucer/Engineering Hull/Nacelle layout as a Constitution) would also be a cruiser.

Try this site: http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/utopia/ship_designations.htm - That shows that looks alone don't make a type, there is more in it than that.

[Anonymous]

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:00 pm

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Weaons array, technology it is equiped with, speed, ect. If the basic shape was important, then the Galaxy Class Battleship (which has the same basic Saucer/Engineering Hull/Nacelle layout as a Constitution) would also be a cruiser.

Then why would the Ambassador Class http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ambassador_class
, a ship with the same design lineage as the Constitution http://memoryalpha.org/en/wiki/Constitution_class and Excelsior Class be classified as a Heavy Cruiser (same as the Constitution) and the Excelsior http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Excelsior_class classified as something else?

According to trekmania, the Sovereign is also an Explorer Type vessel because it followed the Galaxy Class Explorer. However, neither were referred to as explorers on the big screen. By the same logic, the Excelsior Class should also be a Heavy Cruiser since it follows the Constitution Class.

Everyone seems to have their own iterpretations of what ships should be, so aside from what we hear or see on the big screen, ships can be any number of ship type depending on how you seen them. It's entirely a matter of perspective. So from my own perspective, I consider the Excelsior to be a Heavy Cruiser regardless of the interpretations of others since no one interpretation is conclusive. Remember, it's fictional.

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:07 pm

They look similar because the were simply built like looking similar. The way the ship is designed inside (as in it's technology) is important, the outer appearance isn't.

Building newer, more advanced ships also tends to push older ships down the ladder.

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:09 pm

Excelsior a Battleship? Ah ha, ah ha, ah hahahaha. Maybe if you were back in the TMP era.

The weapons odf give it battleship hit/miss rates; as Optec said it's a Medium Destroyer. Course, I already knew that but you believed that the Admiral's log had nothing to do with it.

Perhaps you should refrain from the rhetorical posts. I said that in game terms the Excelsior is a battleship (a large vessel). In storyline it'll be whatever the devs want it to be, but we were concerned about gameplay obviously.

[Anonymous]

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:11 pm

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Right so, the Ambassador, a larger, more powerful ship than Excelsior with newer technology is canonically referred to as a Heavy Cruiser, but yourself and others are stating the Excelsior is a Battleship. Does that make any sense to you?

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:18 pm

When the Excelsior was new, it was a Battleship/Battlecruiser-type. New ships pushed it down the ladder but the tech level didn't drop. It is still at the same Battleship standard as it was when it was launched, but the more modern ships make it look more like a Cruiser or Destroyer in comparison.

It's just like a Dreadnought; a Dreadnought is like a super-Battleship, but if a more powerful ship is brought out, it is pushed down a level or 2 despite not getting any weaker.

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:22 pm

When the Excelsior was new, it was a Battleship/Battlecruiser-type. New ships pushed it down the ladder but the tech level didn't drop. It is still at the same Battleship standard as it was when it was launched, but the more modern ships make it look more like a Cruiser or Destroyer in comparison.

Gratz, I got you to explain my point exactly 

posted on October 22nd, 2009, 10:22 pm

Right so, the Ambassador, a larger, more powerful ship than Excelsior with newer technology is canonically referred to as a Heavy Cruiser, but yourself and others are stating the Excelsior is a Battleship. Does that make any sense to you?

Who are you responding too?

The Ambassador is also a "large" vessel in game. As is the Nebula. All Warp In vessels with the exception of the Steamrunner count as "large vessels" for damage calculations. Everything else releveant has already been said by Tyler.