Borg Cloak Detect

posted on November 7th, 2010, 7:09 pm

Give the Borg a ping just like the one the Talon Refit has. Make it a module that can only be put on the Cube.

Yes, I'm kidding. I'm liking Arash's idea though.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 7:20 pm

maybe the Borg should simply get cheaper cloak sensing...the thing the probe has...
transfere it to any ship with 2 holding beams (special) and make it cost energy only.

This way the Borg are not prey for cloak races but on the other hand the cloakers can still escape unless scubes are there.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 8:33 pm

Why not make it so that every vessel has a tachyon ping module?  The modules are limited anyways it in a game without cloaking faction, no one is going to use the module.  And aren't there a few vessels that cannot be detected with the tachyon ping?

By the way, as for the Borg faction redo, I've got some ideas about that too.  In a new thread.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 8:54 pm

I don't think Borg should even get a cloak detect.  Remember the Raven followed them for ages without worry.

The Borg dont care about cloaked ships.  All races will be assimilated eventually.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 8:59 pm

The Raven isn't a good example. They ignored it because it was a small ship just over the size of a large Runabout that proved no threat or interest at all. The instant it proved capable of hiding from their sensors, the Borg hunted it tirelessly.

Plus, your logic is flawed; You cannot assimilate what you cannot find.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 9:03 pm

the raven didnt actually cloak either, it used Multi-adaptive Shielding to hide from borg sensors, presumably they were visible to all other races sensors.

about borg cloak detect, there is no evidence that they are great at cloak detect. there is no evidence that they are bad at it either. so the devs are free to choose how good borg cloak detect is. i prefer that it is not as good as romulan cloak detect.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 9:25 pm

I'm with TCR_500 on this one, although I see some good counter points too. It's my understanding that  the borg don't have the best of everything at all times, but they have the knowledge and ability to implement what's needed when it's needed. Yes the Romulans loooooove their cloaking, but the borg have assimilated romulan ships and therefore can adapt to defeat it anytime they need to. The catch to adaptation (in the Star Trek universe) is each ship only has so many sub-systems and each sub-system can only do one type of thing at a time. If we don't want to give the borg a detect everything ability all the time, then we should give them an ability for each type (rom, kling, etc) but only allow one type active at a time. Realisticly though, it should be one type at a time per borg ship; which would effectively give them "detect all" in a fleet enviroment. Actually, I've had this thought before but not limited to just sensors. When it come s to the borg, I think they should be able to adapt sensors, weapons, defenses, even abilities. Then again, I've always favored realism over "balance" even in RTS games. In short, I think you should always fear the Borg.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 9:30 pm

Realism-wise, assimilating a Romulan ship would only help in the short-term. You'd have to keep assimilating more and more to keep up with the continuous improvements being made.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 9:34 pm

What the Borg did in Dark Frontier suggests that the Borg never use specialized detection system until they have a reason to use them.  Plus, the Borg can also analyze technology and adapt.  That's probably partially why the Raven was attacked.  The Borg probably realized the mask they were using on the warp trail and adapted.

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And I doubt that the Star-Trek Armada series can keep up with the changes that would be made in real life.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 9:36 pm

Assimilate more and more?  We will comply.  The Collective must grow.  Lower your shields and prepare to be assimilated. 

posted on November 7th, 2010, 9:42 pm

Temporal torpedo, target the power matrix and fire!  As long as it's phased out of the space-time continuum, the torpedo is invulnerable.  Just try to adapt to that.

[Tyler]

posted on November 7th, 2010, 9:48 pm

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What the Borg did in Dark Frontier suggests that the Borg never use specialized detection system until they have a reason to use them.  Plus, the Borg can also analyze technology and adapt.  That's probably partially why the Raven was attacked.  The Borg probably realized the mask they were using on the warp trail and adapted.

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And I doubt that the Star-Trek Armada series can keep up with the changes that would be made in real life.

No-one uses speciliazed sensors unless they have a reason. It woyld be a waste of energy constantly using sensors that only work in certain events. They never realized what type of mask was used, it just failed for a few seconds and they thought "They can hide from us? We must assimilate them!"

They can only adapt through assimilation, requiring they actually take the ship.

Armada2 can progress through several hundred stardate units, the Star Trek equivalent of a year. Plenty of time for adaption to enemy counters. The talk of that was replying to the suggestion that assimilating one would make your counters always perfect afterwards.

Temporal torpedo, target the power matrix and fire!  As long as it's phased out of the space-time continuum, the torpedo is invulnerable.  Just try to adapt to that.

Temporal shields on the same frequency will protect against them. Assimilate a ship and they will be able to find out what frequency is needed. Adapting to them is done the same way as adapting to other tech.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 10:07 pm

I meant to say Analise.  The Borg probably ANALISED the mask that the Raven was using on it's warp trail.

By the way, that temporal torpedo works differently from a chroniton torpedo.  A chroniton torpedo just uses a small flux, the temporal torpedo actually takes itself partly out of the space-time continuum.  And no two shots have the same modulation.  It's an adaption to the Borg.  And as of 2376, the torpedo can change it's temporal modulation after it's been fired without phasing back into the space-time continuum first.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 10:17 pm

And they still need to assimilate tech in order to analyze it.

Are you talking about your 'Borg killer' super-race? Temporal shields would still protect when they find the correct 'temporal variance' of the tech. Just like the Krenim weapons which are also constently out of phase.

posted on November 7th, 2010, 11:17 pm

But the tempeoral variance modulates constantly.