Why I dont consider Enterprise as part of trek.........

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 9:16 pm

Well... if you want to put it that way, I suppose. But really I read the title and just lost interest. I didn't judge the episode in particular. However, everything leading up to it in the show hadn't been entirely fantastic.

Did they end up killing all the alien insects? Where were they in TNG if that was what started all the space exploration.

I though perhaps, it would have been interesting to see the early Klingon and Romulan races. Even how things got started with Cardassians  and Ferengi. Instead they had to throw sooo much into it. At a later point I watched a scene of an episode, or maybe they put it into the first few episodes... but it seemed liked their was a fair sized plotline about time traveling? Future starfleet officers come back and help out Archer with the hunt for the insects or something.

I just didn't see anything genuine in the show as far as major plotlines. And yeah prime directive stuff.. that's nice and all... but this is early on. I would have liked it more if they showed a bunch of mistakes. There was no big federation then. In fact, are you sure they mentioned prime directive anywhere in Enterprise? I would have been happy to see them goof up a few encounters... and then say, hey we need a prime directive for future generations not to screw up like we did.

[Tyler]

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 9:21 pm

Last edited by Tyler on January 2nd, 2011, 9:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.

You want mistakes? Watch Dear Doctor, where Archer and Phlox commited genocide and called it 'justified in the name of evolution'.

That Enterprise crew did something far worse than any other Trek series past, pesent and future ever could in that one episode.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 9:34 pm

Plus, you can't have 2 first batches.

i'd have made the first batch mixed, that way you have strength in all areas.

the time travel in the clip's episode didnt affect the future timeline since daniels hit the extra large reset button fixed the timeline.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 9:42 pm

Overall, I'd really put it down to arrogance and overconfidence; the Germans were clearly winning the war and could easily get ahead of themselves. They wouldn't be the first superpower to do stupid things while winning.

Erased, but makes me wonder what their 24th century would be have been like... couldn't be the Terran Empire, they were hinted to be more Roman than Nazi.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 9:48 pm

It's ironic that the best episodes of ENT are the time traveling and mirror episodes.

Linkara ftw!

May be ironic, but fortunately the mirror-universe-episode wasn't ruining anything canon. In fact it was the only ENT-episode that appeared to be thought out at all, since they only used the stuff that was never explained about the empire and the TOS-Defiant on TOS.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 10:32 pm

In that clip where where the torpedos shot from? I hat it the torpedo tubes where on the back of the ship.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 10:36 pm

In that clip where where the torpedos shot from? I hat it the torpedo tubes where on the back of the ship.

Not only, the launchers on the lower saucer were also canon. It had far too many launchers if compared to the first 1701 (with or without refit).

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 10:39 pm

Some one should let the writers know.

And the blast from 4 torpedos only took out part of one building?

To days missiles are far far better.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 10:41 pm

Not only, the launchers on the lower saucer were also canon. It had far too many launchers if compared to the first 1701 (with or without refit).

well the torpedoes were originally vastly different. spacial torpedoes, nothing like photons. later they get photonic torps, which may be different in design from photons. so we cant compare launchers. the combat effectiveness of 1 tos era photon could easily be far above that of several ent era photonics. maybe they miss less, so no need to spam multiple torps. or the ability to fire repeatedly from 1 launcher was developed, while nx-01 had to take quite a while to reload. comparing the two techs is quite difficult.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 10:52 pm

well the torpedoes were originally vastly different. spacial torpedoes, nothing like photons. later they get photonic torps,

I know, they got the photonic torps before they travelled into the expanse

I also remember the targeting exercises with those spacial torpedoes 

the combat effectiveness of 1 tos era photon could easily be far above that of several ent era photonics

Which leads me to the following: The TOS-era introduced the torps on Starfleet vessels in the first place. The original Enterprise had Phasers only for some time.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 10:56 pm

In-universe, that could be explained by things never getting serious enough to use them or just not being on camera at the time.

Ou-of-universe... it was Enterprise. That is all.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 11:02 pm

Which leads me to the following: The TOS-era introduced the torps on Starfleet vessels in the first place. The original Enterprise had Phasers only for some time.

how is that an issue? photonics arent photons, they may be different. how exactly was never elaborated. i dont remember anything saying that photons were introduced in tos either. but if they were it wouldnt conflict since enterprise only had the klinks use "photons"

in jj trek the photons were in use on the kelvin, before tos

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 11:03 pm

But if you tink about it.

Ships of even enterprise era where made of mettles that are much stronger then todays steel. The fier power to tak out metal of even the hardness of steel need to be much more powerful then those things the enterprise fired.

If those where up to the the power they would need to be you would have seen 2-3 city blocks taken out at the lest.

Here is a modern torpedo you would think the one in the future would be bigger.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwWzFSePevw&feature=related[/youtube]

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 11:10 pm

everyone is forgetting that photonics have a variable yield. why would they program them to put a crater in a major city when they could kill the one building they need to?

they didnt know daniels would hit the reset button, they didnt wanna kill half the population of the city. they only wanted 1 building gone, so they got rid of it. why waste good anti matter

in enterprise dialogue they said a photonic could put a 3km crater into a standard surface.

posted on January 2nd, 2011, 11:17 pm

More of the same quote from Reed was that it could "knock the com array off a shuttlepod without scratching the hull, or put a three-kilometer crater into an asteroid".

Those things can really be toned down a lot.... I don't think the later matter/antimatter photons could go as low. Unless you count Voyager hitting a shuttle inside a large city without even hitting the nearby building...