Star Trek vs Star Wars

posted on December 3rd, 2013, 1:14 pm

Irrelevant, fact is it IS still a part of Star Trek canon, just as Jar Jar will always be a part of Star Wars. You nor I cant change that fact. And again that is the reason this debate comes up. As I said before, where do you draw the line? What is allowed and what isn't? You cant have a debate about a topic such as this if you're going to only pick and choose what YOU want allowed in the discussion. You have to take in account everything available to both sides. If I thought the force was completely utterly stupid, and the worst aspect of Star Wars, so you shouldn't use it, how is that any different then what you say about Voyager? Regardless of your opinion on Voyager, it is and always will be canon Star Trek, meaning its tech is available in such an argument.

So if it makes you feel better about yourself to say the federation isn't allowed to use anything from Voyager, go right ahead, doesn't matter to me. You want to think the Empire in Star Wars is unbeatable because they are old, great. Good for you. LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!

But if you want to have a debate using actual canon and the merits of whats shown in the shows and movies, that we can do. If all you want to do is complain about how crappy and wonky the canon is, and how it shouldn't be allowed well then this is a pointless discussion.

Hey man, great job. Unfortunately, you can't argue with stupid.

posted on December 3rd, 2013, 5:22 pm

Hey man, great job. Unfortunately, you can't argue with stupid.

stupid, no. Their is a reason I only use tng ds9 and tos in any debate. But, I guess were allowing stupid into the discussion. So, your torps are invalid because

they modified it on Voyager with ease within a short amount of time with no issues. I would venture to guess they could modify torpedos throughout the federation fleet if they wanted to without much difficulty, meaning it wouldn't be a 1 shot and done deal.. Harry Kim aked if they were going to blow up a small planet when they modified a torpedo to 64 Isoton, so obviously that would be far above any nuclear weapon.

Why didn't they use it for the dominion? the borg? The other hundred n fifty thousand threats that the federation has faced. Sorry only Jane way has access to Phlebotinum, no one else. Again worm hole god. Why the else did we need their help? Please stop dogging the issue. Worm hole gods? Worm hole gods

Truthfully if the federation said screw rules,

No only captain Janeway can say screw the rules, I have money. The federation would be helpless, Janeway would use a isometric recalibrate hyphenation whistle blower Monticello field out of her ass and spank Darth Vader with straddle pony.

She been wanting to conqueror the federation for years, that why they asked the care taker to whisk her to the middle of no where.

posted on December 3rd, 2013, 6:16 pm

As funny as your tirade is, it would help your case to use proper grammar and sentence structure. You actually have some arguable points, but they are being lost in the crazy-factor at work here.

posted on December 3rd, 2013, 8:40 pm

As funny as your tirade is, it would help your case to use proper grammar and sentence structure. You actually have some arguable points, but they are being lost in the crazy-factor at work here.

My typing has a near stuttering effect. I type faster then my hands can process it, also it doesn't help I wasn't in school. My tirade is voyager in a nutshell. When it doubt, chain words together and pretend you know what your talking about. Example tachyon pony

So, since your the topic admin, I call a vote: should this be a hypothetical debate or should it be based on what we seen in the tv shows. If hypothetical the torpedo will be allowed to stay. If it's based on what we have seen in the TV shows, I make a motion that it be omitted from the debate on the grounds that neither Picard used it against the borg nor Sisko against the dominion. If they wouldn't use it in a previous annihilation of human race situations why would they use it now? Further more, they didn't modify a torpedo explosive yield to destroy 8472, that is to say modify it with increase yield equivalent to destroying a planet. I would think a torpedo capable of blowing up a planet would be more than capable of destroying a single 8472 ship. This lack of continuity also makes me strongly urge you to strike it from the record and omitted from any further part in this debate.

The above goes for time travel as well. I have seen no evidence of continuity based use of time travel even when the fate of entire alpha quadrant hangs in balance.

posted on December 3rd, 2013, 9:36 pm

Very well composed! Nice job! Though I do find your stutter typing very much in your nature and oddly understandable.

While I try to mediate when possible, I am not the topic admin; unless voted on by my peers.

For the most part, I thought I should be done with this discussion because it is not well directed. The initial question (by someone else) was which was better, Star Trek or Star Wars. That could mean just about anything, though I believe it was initially directed at being some sort of market-share argument. It has since come to the inevitable "who would win?" scenario.

Without a clear premise or guidelines on what can be considered, the question of 'who would win?' becomes unanswerable. No body can even agree what the question means let alone how to address it.

Based on everything I have just written, I cannot arbitrate this discussion. I am not sure that I want to either; takes up way too much time. I will say that I find it difficult to ignore any canonical happening simply because it is deemed too powerful. Where do we draw the line between outside reasoning and speculation and being true to what we know exists?

posted on December 3rd, 2013, 10:36 pm

Very well, motion is stalled. I do agree though. I say allowed within reason. Star trek can but only before battle and to limited numbers as such, this is a rare mass super weapon. Time travel should still be omitted and is well too complicated to comprehend the lasting effect. I say even without it, it would be pretty fair fight as along as you don't go mucking about with the time stream, leave that to the doctor ... who?

Seems I have been nicely dragged into something I hate. Makes me wish their was a rpg on this site. ah, days long ago when my writing wept.

i think we should debate what is worse star trek or star wars. Star trek preaching is ungodly and down right unseen. starwars has plenty face palming moments, but being films it not as drawn out. How the same issue cropped up in return jedi as the first film. The fact they even made the prequels. I'm not going to lie, I got more problem with startrek. The original starwars films, I have no problem, but that because their simple.

posted on December 4th, 2013, 12:10 am

Tim you seem to be confused about something. The only point I have been trying to make here, and that is why this argument persists in the manner it does. I have NEVER said Star Trek canon made sense, I don't understand why you keep bringing up the point of "if they had weapon x why didn't they use it against so and so". I GET IT, I never argued that it made sense, nor of Janeways morals. All im saying is its a technology that exists and can be considered.

Also ironic you say TNG, DS9 and TOS only in debates, since TOS is FULL of crazy shit. They have an antimatter bomb they make that blows half the planets atmosphere off, and its implied that a constitution class starships can decimate planets. Maybe you should go back and watch some of the insanity that is TOS.

In the end, these debates come down to what is and isn't acceptable to use? Star Wars people generally want to pull info from the books and other quasi canon sources, and Trek has 5 series and 12 movies to pull from. So the question I asked earlier, who decides what to allow and not to allow? What are the conditions of the matchup?

Also I just want to point out I'm a fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars, I like them both. I just feel that the Star Wars movies don't give a shining example of technological superiority over Star Trek.

posted on December 4th, 2013, 4:30 am

I found these videos on youtube. there are only three but they are very well done and I think the most accurate interpretation of a battle between the feds and empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP2k5gckTas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idbBTGwj6g8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx4pqD_9jEo